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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 25, 2015 at 1:58pm

Why all this palaver over homosexuality? It is an attribute, like blue eyes or black hair. Is it the imagined process that bothers so many? Or the messy sweat and bodily fluids involved? So what! There exist sweat and bodily fluids with heterosexual methods. Is it that homosexuals waste sperm or eggs? So why is that a problem? There is a waste of resources using heterosexual means. Is it using sex for pleasure instead of procreation that upset so many? So? Are there so many Puritans in the population? Does the bible imperative matter so much to so many? Oh my goodness, do we believe we have to make our behaviors based on biblical definitions of moral behavior?

Why are we not speaking of universal healthcare, or fair wages for honest work, or corrupt government and businesses?

Homosexuality is a mass distraction from what we should be discussing and debating!. It is a way to polarize people and an easy subject for whipping up emotions? Politics seems to distract one from what matters in life. 

Comment by Joseph P on June 25, 2015 at 12:31pm

If anything, they tend to paint homosexuality with a very broad brush, Gerald.  He could be including all forms of perversion in with homosexuality, and he just wasn't explicit about it, because he presumed that everyone else understood him.

I don't know the Koranic references to homosexuality as well as the Biblical ones, of course, but there are probably a lot of similarities.  Going from Paul's writings, people become homosexuals because they've given in to their depravity, and homosexuality is just one of the expressions of it.

So, according to their holy book, Christians should believe that there's no such thing as a vanilla, gay guy, despite the fact that I know one.  Any gay guy should automatically be leather-clad for all of his sexual expression, probably with a ball-gag and whips, with at least one corpse on the premises for when any of the guys feels like indulging in his necrophilia, during the nightly orgy.

This could also be the "reasoning" behind the constant insanity we hear the fundies vomit up, bringing up pedophilia any time we're trying to have an adult conversation about gay rights.  Clearly pedophilia is a lesser form of depravity than homosexuality, since lots of people become pedophiles without also sinking as far as homosexuality.

It's completely fucked, but there's a sort of logic there, if your mind is warped enough to see it.

Comment by Gerald Payne on June 25, 2015 at 10:42am

What would be the result of fantasising about a Jew while impregnating his wife? Why button-hole homosexuality? couldn't the result be a cross dresser or an Iranian biblical pervert?

He's lucky nobody's allowed to offer a different opinion.

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 25, 2015 at 9:07am

The religion's name should be Paulinity, not Xianity, according to a poet friend who'd gone to an Xian college.

Does anyone know who named it Xianity? Was fraud intended?

Comment by Joseph P on June 25, 2015 at 7:54am

How could it be otherwise?  The Gospels and Acts don't have much in the way of instruction on how to actually run a church.  They're just rough evangelism guides and stories of the wonderful things the mythical guy did.

Paul was writing massive, instructional missives to the various churches around the Mediterranean, telling them how they should be doing things.  Unless you want to go back to the Old Testament, you don't have a lot else to go on for running a church/temple, and the Old Testament has a little too much animal sacrifice for modern Christians.

Comment by Michael Penn on June 25, 2015 at 4:12am

Whether they realize it or not most of biblical Christianity comes from this man, Paul. All of us would be better off to not take anything that the man said seriously.

The man claims to be an authority but even in his visions and teachings he could not tell whether he was "in or out" of his body. To understand this more fully just substitute the word "mind" for the word "body."

Comment by Joseph P on June 25, 2015 at 3:08am

Well, the Bible never had anything to say against female homosexuality, until Paul's letters, and even that is ambiguous as hell.  Romans 1:26 is the only verse in the Bible that has anything to say about lesbianism, even with the most liberal reading of the text.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;

Those are the KJV, NIV, and ESV, respectively.  That verse is far from clear on the subject.  Maybe the women were engaging in bestiality.  It doesn't specify.

Even without the ambiguity, I think we can all agree that Paul had some serious issues, and we might be better off disregarding what he has to say on the subject.

Comment by Plinius on June 25, 2015 at 12:55am

LOL! Patricia!

Comment by Joseph P on June 25, 2015 at 12:14am

@Patricia, from back on the last page.

What about fantasizing about your wife with another woman, while you're impregnating your wife?  What will that do to the future child?  Bi?

Comment by sk8eycat on June 24, 2015 at 11:04pm

Moses (and his brother Aaron) WERE silly....doing sleight-of-hand tricks to try to impress the Pharaoh....

The whole Exodus story is silly fiction...none of it ever happened.


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