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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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"No skeptic, to my knowledge, ever made a major scientific discovery or advanced the welfare of others."

-- Deepak Chopra (yes, he actually said that)

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" (I found it!) but That's funny..." -Isaac Asimov

The scientific world view is full of awe and wonder. Understanding how truly awesome the universe is – in its elegant complexity, its staggering beauty, and the many intricate systems of which it is comprised – gives a profound feeling of connectedness and sparks the imagination. And it has the advantage of being real. -Steven Novella

The glory which is built upon a lie soon becomes a most unpleasant incumbrance. How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and how hard it is to undo that work again.
— Mark Twain

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Permanent Lie leads to collective psychosis

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Facebook uses fake news outlet as fact checker

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Firehose beats Fact-Check

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Unwitting Belief Change

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Changed by the Attention Economy

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Conservative Media Engineers Post-Truth Politics

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Kids' Entertainment - Bombing Civilians

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Anger-Incitement Playbook

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Reason Evolved to Win Arguments - not Reason Clearly

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Direct Mind Access

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Weaponized Fake Conspiracy

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Teach Wisdom

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Investigative reporter warns against Alex Jones

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The Science of Mind Manipulation

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Blue Lies Divide

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Visceral Vernacular is Great Oration

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Comment by tom sarbeck on April 23, 2017 at 12:21pm
Joan, your story deserves regular reposting. It's how those who are new to Nexus, or those who are forgetful or pessimistic, can know what well-motivated people can do.
Comment by Joan Denoo on April 22, 2017 at 1:34pm

I will bore long-time readers of my comments, however, this retells my story about why religion is so toxic and needs to be outside of our government. SEPARATE RELIGION AND GOVERNMENT!

For the women and men that come after me, I rise. 

I saw myself helpless & hopeless, felt as though I were in a desert alone with no one to understand me, I felt unloved, unlovable, and I experienced a feeling of being dead, emotionally and physically. 

I looked inside of me attempting to figure out why I was even born. 

I discovered a brain able to think critically. 

I found a healthy body capable of taking effective action.  

My three 10-year old children needed to be safe, secure and stable  and my family, religious leaders, and community required me to love my husband to the Lord, to sacrifice myself  my children to a deaf and dumb God. We were to suffer as Jesus had suffered, that "of all women I was most blessed" because I was to die to myself, to sacrifice myself on the altar of a brute and a thug. 

Family and religious community gave me the  "Passive Gospel," the old imperatives of yield, pray, obey, turn the other cheek, crucify myself daily, and rejoice in my crucifixion. 

My children and I deserve better than submission. We have a right to feel safe in our home.

My mind, healthy enough to see the idiocy of submissive thinking, my body, powerful enough to take action that would provide safety, security, and stability to our little family required that I leave my husband and the father of our children. 

I had to be stronger than my mother, my grandmothers, and my foremothers. I have no need to be impassive to our pain. 

I figured out what we would do and how we would do it, I developed a plan and put it into action. The imperatives had manipulated and exploited me for the benefit of attitudes, customs, traditions, and values based on religion.  

To be healthy, I had to leave my husband, my family, my religious community, my beliefs and faith, and create a new future, unlike our ancestral past. 

I am too bright and vigorous to remain passive to the pain, emotionally and physically. 

Without religion, I function as a mentally healthy, mature, adult woman, I take responsibility for our safety, and I am capable. We have a chance for a healthy future.

I reject the tradition of family violence. 

My daughter, granddaughters, and great-granddaughters have a model of critical thinking and effective action. My sons, grandsons, & great-grandsons know how to behave as civil human beings within the family. 

Casting aside the old imperatives of yield, pray, obey, turn the other cheek, crucify myself daily, and rejoice in my crucifixion: 

I am free of brutality and thuggery. 

I am free of religious dogma.

Future generations have the possibility of new memories of experiences of family life.

~ Joan Denoo

Written in response to a hymn, "You Raise Me Up",  composed by Irish-Norwegian duo Secret Garden's Rolf Løvland and the lyrics by Brendan Graham. recorded by IL DIVO,  POR TI SERE, (You Raise Me Up). Such a beautiful melody with such toxic lyrics!

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on April 22, 2017 at 11:26am

They're coming to take us away, ha ha.

Comment by Loren Miller on April 22, 2017 at 11:21am

Bloody lovely.  So the Dominionists are coming out of the woodwork now, eh?

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on April 22, 2017 at 10:29am

Trump Cabinet Plots Christian Theocracy During Weekly Bible Study Meetings
April 21, 2017 by Michael Stone

[Progressive Secular Humanist]

Dreams of a Christian theocracy: Members of Trump’s Cabinet are participating in weekly Bible study meetings with a controversial pastor who wants “disciples of Christ” to take over the government.

A recent report via Fusion explains that key officials in Trump’s Cabinet are attending weekly prayer and Bible study meetings that are being led by Pastor Ralph Drollinger, a controversial right-wing pastor who preaches a message promoting a conservative Christian theocracy for the U.S.

Drollinger’s weekly, hour-long “Cabinet Member Bible Study” is held in the Department of Health and Human Services every Wednesday morning, and is well attended by prominent members of the Trump Cabinet.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 22, 2017 at 1:51am

Appropriate cartoon, Ruth, "Clouding the issue".

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on April 21, 2017 at 10:34pm
Comment by Idaho Spud on April 19, 2017 at 6:55am

Hadn't heard about distillation.  I suspected they would have some bogus explanation, just like religious people.

I like your question.

Comment by Joseph P on April 18, 2017 at 6:56pm

There's some shit about distillation.  Apparently distilling water gives it a good knock on the head or something.

... which raises the question of how all of the water cycling around, which hasn't been distilled, doesn't cure us of everything that can be cured by any medication that has been in it since it was last distilled.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 18, 2017 at 3:40pm

I've been listening to James Randi videos for the last few days, and often he mentions at talks he gives, taking homeopathic sleeping pills at 10 times the recommended maximum dose with no effect.

That's made me think of a question I would like to ask a homeopathic pusher.  If water retains the memory of the chemical that was originally put in, even though there is not a molecule of the chemical left after dilution, why doesn't all water have the memory of all the billions of chemicals that it at one time had in it through the billions of years it's been on earth, and why doesn't all these chemical memories swamp the effect of the chemical you put in it?


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