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"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." -- Christopher Hitchens

What is a logical fallacy? All arguments have the same basic structure: A therefore B. They begin with one or more premises (A), which is a fact or assumption upon which the argument is based. They then apply a logical principle (therefore) to arrive at a conclusion (B). An example of a logical principle is that of equivalence. For example, if you begin with the premises that A=B and B=C, you can apply the logical principle of equivalence to conclude that A=C. A logical fallacy is a false or incorrect logical principle. An argument that is based upon a logical fallacy is therefore not valid. It is important to note that if the logic of an argument is valid then the conclusion must also be valid, which means that if the premises are all true then the conclusion must also be true. Valid logic applied to one or more false premises, however, leads to an invalid argument. Also, if an argument is not valid the conclusion may, by chance, still be true. For a more thorough discussion of logical fallacies and how to structure a logical argument, see the New England Skeptical Society's article, How To Argue.

Top 20 Logical Fallacies (in alphabetical order) taken from -

The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe

The New England Skeptical Society The Skeptics' Guide To The Universe Science-Based Medicine
The James Randi Educational Foundation
Propaganda
snopes.com
Bad Science by Ben Goldacre
Simon Singh and his fight to mend British libel laws
Professor Richard Wiseman
PZ Myers' Pharyngula
Dr. Phil Plait and Bad Astronomy
Skeptic Blog
Michael Shermer's Baloney Detection Kit
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark by Carl Sagan
The Skeptics' Dictionary
List of cognitive biases
Don Watson - Weasel Words
QuackWatch
A List of Fallacious Arguments

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Changed by the Attention Economy

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Conservative Media Engineers Post-Truth Politics

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Kids' Entertainment - Bombing Civilians

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Firehose beats Fact-Check

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Anger-Incitement Playbook

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Climate Denial Based on Projection of Venal Motives

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Reason Evolved to Win Arguments - not Reason Clearly

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Direct Mind Access

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Weaponized Fake Conspiracy

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The Science of Mind Manipulation

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Blue Lies Divide

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Visceral Vernacular is Great Oration

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Hyperbolic Discounting

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How to Mind-Capture a Nation

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Post-Truth "Reality" Tactics

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Snag-Attention Government

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Comment by Joan Denoo on February 14, 2017 at 2:38pm
Librarians will do that which has to be done, open doors to books and diverse ideas! That is what educators need to do!
Comment by tom sarbeck on February 14, 2017 at 1:01pm
Three hundred thousand cheers for librarians and libtaries !!!
Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on February 14, 2017 at 12:41pm

On Feb. 17, librarians, museums and other institutions have planned a “Day of Facts” to combat misinformation in its communities. The website for the campaign reminds visitors that facts are not “an overt political stand.” [emphasis mine]

Why these librarians are protesting Trump’s executive orders

Comment by tom sarbeck on February 10, 2017 at 11:14pm
About pastors endorsing candidates, for years I've seen polls saying large majorities, 60% and more, of churchgoers oppose it. Doom is not yet ringing my doorbell.
Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on February 10, 2017 at 10:50pm

from GoComics.com - Comic Updates for 02/08/2017
Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 9, 2017 at 6:02pm

Here it comes.

Republicans Have Filed a Bill That Would Allow Pastors to Endorse Political Candidates in Church
February 2, 2017 by Hemant Mehta

[Friendly Atheist]

Comment by Loren Miller on February 9, 2017 at 2:52pm

Between "alternative facts" and the "Bowling Green massacre," I have to wonder if KellyAnne Conway has any interest in a relationship with reality at all, or whether she's just BSing her ass off to suit her boss.

Either way, it's disturbing as hell.

Comment by Michael Penn on February 9, 2017 at 2:51pm

Everybody is looney tunes. I'm still trying to get over the Bowling Green Massacre. That was a bad one.

Comment by Loren Miller on February 9, 2017 at 11:07am

Swell, Ruth ... and the next thing those voices are likely to say is that he's the best dictator our planet ever knew...

[Damnit, where's the fucking Pepto???]

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on February 9, 2017 at 10:48am
 

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