Neither I believe does the word "bunny."
King James - (copy and paste)
Ah, NIV is my default version. No hares there.
Also, the passage is quite incorrect. Rabbits are tasty.
I see what you mean about the idea of an atheist ‘bible’ for want of a better word could cause problems – but I bet you anything you like that we do have enough in common to create a group that could agree to come together.
Basically that’s the only way of evolution survival in my view right now.
At the moment christians and Muslims are growing hugely with big families and secure cultural norms that bond them and keep them positive and happy…
It is these family bonds and ties that support us in our lives to gain success.
Most of the atheists I know don’t have this family support – unless they are fortunate enough to be born into a family that is all supportive – and most of them seem to have few amounts of children and be quite insular.
I think we do need to be out and proud like the gay community has done and like the neo atheists support.
I’m wondering if in some future date I might have the time and the energy to conduct extensive surveys of atheists to find their common bonds and work out a book that might unite us all against the rest of the world as an independent cohesive group that stood for something more than what it isn’t – it doesn’t believe in god.
You’re always going to get descent in any group. just think about the young male who doesn’t want to attend mass at church or what ever – that doesn’t mean that he isn’t a christian and won’t marry a good christian girl, get married in a church, adhere to the christian ways as best he can and then have his children baptised and go to Sunday school…
What about Life Day! as we are all cousins – I’m quite excited about evolution after just reading Dawkins book the greatest show in town. And have that wheel of all life with all our shared ancestors right down to the first one in there somewhere as something to print out and show your kids that day.
I think it’s worth having links to all these centres such as humanist centres and others also on the page to give more variety and access to already established groups. But they do service a minority and I’d like this wiki page to cover more breadth if we can.
The reason I found the Humanists dull was that I was 20 something and they were all over 70 by the looks, as well as I had a small child who was interrupting the speaker.
This is really exciting. I get the idea that we can invent a cultural group – and post it as fact on wiki – it’s very post modern I know, as it hasn’t evolved as such – but it has, because here we all are talking about it – we just lack the geography to create it practically – but it doesn’t mean that even though we don’t all practise it, we do all proscribe to it and would if the circumstances where different geographically.
I think we need to set up some consensus here at Nexus and at other atheists centres – say for example the brights or Dawkins group – and then come to some conclusions. It’s a lot of work I know. I have limited time – on average probably about 1 hour a day – which does add up over time – so it’s not out the question. It’s just a matter of saying on task and keeping up with a focus – which is why I mentioned before about having a mission statement and other organisational aims stated out at the beginning to help us keep on track.
I couldn’t do it on my own – my sills are quite limited to lots of enthusiasm, a willingness to embrace science and fact based world view and good typing skills – but it think here it will be mostly copy and paste.
We could have a calendar also that can be printed out and put on any wall – to remind us of the days. I’m more than excited to start celebrating the new atheist calendar with my kids. Many the parenting books that I’ve read talk about creating routines with children and regular cultural celebrations that they will remember and continue into adulthood, that give the child a sense of place in the world – this is great for their generally sense of well-being and position in the world – they generally though suggestion religious celebrations – an atheist calendar is a fab idea. I think we also need notorious atheists to promote it – Ricki Gervase would be funny! LOL and the obvious Dawkins etc…
Even if our wiki page only reflected what atheists currently do would be great – so that it would be a place that other like minded could gain insights and ideas from others – then it doesn’t need to be proscriptive as more as more evolutionary – it evolves over time according to what members find themselves doing as their life goes by with atheistic reasons attached EG
I want to be buried in a cloth with a tree planted on me because when I read about it, it seemed to be environmentally friendly – and I like the idea of parts of me feeding a tree that my family can come and see in future generations etc…
I love your ideas so far – I think we could really grow on them – and also I would like to respect individuals ideas – so that we might have a mixture some might mix with others, but other people might have more attachment to theirs staying the same – in which case they can be respected individually – what I’m suggesting is that we are inclusive and have a list with sub sets of lists – I don’t know how far we might go – but I’d like to be as broad and inclusive as is reasonably possible. With the exception of supernatural thinking of course.
The trouble as I see it is that if one converts to atheism there is no community – in the sense of a tribe that covers all needs.
As a women with young children I am perhaps more vulnerable to my needs being met that a single man free to pursue what ever he wishes in work and society.
My needs are about raising children in a way that is fitting to my world view – sharing care with others, sharing ideas of parenting sharing ideas of diet, health, morals, education etc… it’s very complex and completely underrated.
I need a community to help raise my children – I need traditions and cultural practises.
I feel fractured from society – everything I attend is soaked in supernatural themes – everything – play group parenting groups etc etc…
Right down to simple things like god bless you or morals about behaviour when kids are playing together… and I’ve got to go home and uncontaminated my children from this religious attack with NOTHING with which to replace it.
It is because you are an atheist – because as an atheist you don’t cow tow to a god that knows all –and therefore agree that it’s OK to abuse women or mutilate children – because god said so – you have the power of reason and logic and evolution of ideas based on FACTS not bull-crap.
I agree that uniting us all under the banner of what we don’t believe – atheism – we don’t believe in god – isn’t helpful – that’s another important reason why I think having some culture that is positive is useful and attractive.
When looking at human nature as it has been relatively recently historically – say 10,000 years ago, looking at hunter gatherer societies – to which we are pretty closely unchanged from in terms of evolution – we can see that they have complex cultural practises that support their survival and social interaction. This is the human natural state. They didn’t used to have gods, then they started worshiping animals, then women, then in the recent 2,000 years the male obsession started with one male god.
My point here is that humans need culture. It’s part of us. Atheism isn’t going to last long without culture. It will die out with what ever gene gave us our theism in the first place IMO.
Thanks Mark for your comments in support of creating such a cultural framework. It’s supportive and reassuring to have your input and wisdom.
Joseph – I’m open to using what ever terminology suits and is most fitting for clear delivery – I think this idea could evolve to be very worthwhile and useful to atheists around the world.