Deut {32:7} Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee. {32:8} When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. {32:9} For the LORD’S portion [is] his people; Jacob [is] the lot of his inheritance.

This tells us that the LORD, which would in the Bible mean Yahweh, inherited Jacob's people, the Jews from the Most High, probably the father of the LORD. So, after all, Yahweh does not seem to be the most powerful and original god. Not even a creator god.

Please share your thoughts / information on this subject and let me know the source of your information.

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Yeah, at this point, it's pretty much impossible to trace back to the absolute origin of a religious character ... just like with Jesus.  He could have been more or less based upon a real guy, or he could be a compilation character.  Scholars get their kicks debating the probabilities, but we don't have sufficient evidence to really know.

" does Deut {32:7} suggest something about Yahweh's mythological background?"

" {32:8} When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel."

It appears the Most High, like a father with many children and descendants, separated the sons, and chose one to inherited all that the Most High (patriarch) created. As Ted wrote, "was a tribal self-justification of brutal conquest." Therefore, the Most High (a construct) told the Jews he gave them a specific patch of Earth and today's patriarchal people claim ownership, in spite of the thousands of years the Palestinian occupation.

"Israeli Jews now number 6 million, Palestinians will exceed Jews by 2020
The six million mark is symbolic for Israelis as that's the number of Jews that were killed during the Holocaust.

Israeli Jews now number 6 million, Palestinians will exceed Jews by...

The Israeli Jews have the promise of the patch, and a focus on numbers of Jews needed to replace those that were killed in the Holocaust, further than that:

"But worldwide we are still in the same place. Before the Holocaust there were around 18 million Jews in the world; after it, a bit more than 13 million. We are still at a bit more than 13 million. But now Israel's Jewish population is close to half the Jewish nation worldwide. It puts Israel in a very central place. We are almost the only Jewish community that is growing."

Therefore, the patch of Earth and the numbers killed in the Holocaust justify modern Jews' brutal conquest on Palestinians today. Their moral code is based on the construct of the Most High giving a promise and the modern Jews use that as their tribal self-justification. 

In the 19th century, Manifest Destiny was the widely held belief (a construct) that USA settlers were destined to expand throughout the continent. That notion seems to have crept into the notion of controlling the world, its peoples and its commerce. The idea exists as an overextension of its capacity to maintain control over so many and so far away. Thus, as Rome collapsed, we see the USA overextending and in the beginning of the collapse of our country. 

Ok, be honest !  Put your hand up if you haven't read the bible from beginning to end............ Just about everyone, I see.

Personally, I recommend that you don't read it because it's a load of shit written in an ancient language, thousands of years ago, interpreted, translated through languages and arriving in an archaic form of English today. It's bullshit. There is no point in reading into it and studying it. It's boring and depressing. I assure you that theology is a load of crap.

The bible quote is meaningless. It means fuck all. Nothing.

I've read it straight through, yeah, if you discount the fact that I skimmed like hell through the census in Numbers and all of the genealogies.  I snoozed my way through most of Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Solomon, too.  Many parts of the Old Testament are really freaking boring and are difficult to get through.

You've acquired a specialism and your commentaries are valued and appreciated.

Heh, thanks, but I haven't particularly done that.  I barely remember a damned bit of the Old Testament, except for Genesis, Exodus, Judges, and bits of the history books ... mostly the parts about Saul, David, and Solomon.  I'm a little better on the Gospels and Revelation, but I'd need a few more passes through those before I remember all of the material.

I studied law part time for 6 years and would not attempt to remember all the material. It's knowing the forest and not every tree.

Interestingly, in Evidence, one's opinion has no weight except the opinion of the expert witness, a specialist in a particular field. An expert witness can be a Doctor, engineer, butcher, baker or candle-stick maker giving their opinion within their respective fields of expertise. Expertise may be recognised through both formal academic qualifications as well as self taught knowledge and experience.

In my view your opinions regarding the bible have weight and I think it probable that few religionists and even religious professional have attained such expertise.

I dunno, maybe after I go take a few classes with Bart Ehrman.  I work at the hospital that's attached to the university that he teaches at.

I keep meaning to look into taking a few of his classes, but we're so damned busy with the project I'm on, implementing a completely new patient-information-management system.  Working 50+ hour weeks doesn't leave much free time for taking classes.

Bart Ehrman is one hell of an academic having acquired the ability to read the bible in it's written languages but I wouldn't be overawed by him as he has been overawed by the religion of his own society and culture.

Take care Joseph and I hope you have a good holiday after your work cools down.

For more than 200 years, many scholars have surmised that the "lost book of the law" according to Kings, discovered by the priest Hilkiah during Temple renovations during the reign of Josiah is in fact Dueteronomy at least in an earlier edition. (circa 625 BCE) 

More plausible is the theory that the priestly cult under Hilkiah's authority invented Deuteronomy to buttress the authority of the Yahweh-centered priestly cult at the center of tribal authority, complete with expansions of mythical motifs that are passed off as history.             

Exodus {6:2} And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I [am] the LORD: {6:3} And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

Yahweh presented himself to Moses as his god but not to Abraham and others before him. This could suggest that he appeared to Moses only after inheriting Jews as his share of inheritance.

Now, the question emerges, why even bother trying to sort out all the myths of the past? I can't even sort out my own family tree without making mistakes. So. as for me, atheism provides all the information I want: I find no evidence of god/s. The miracles and fables and myths and parables and legends are just so much fiction. I'm not very interested in fiction. I am interested in patterns of thought and the ways humans keep repeating the same mistakes over and over.

In my opinion, this era of god and yahwey is coming to an end. We will either destroy life on the Earth as we know it, or we will find a better way to live with differences and diversity. Just look at the battles going on now! Isreali/Palestinians killing each other and destroying communities. Wars ongoing in Afghanistan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Mexico drug war, Syrian civil war, Iraqi insurgency, Central African republic, Sudan and probably a dozen or more wars going on right now. 

Insanity. Put all the combatants in shipping crates and let them fight it out between themselves. Leave the women and children in peace and empowered to flourish!


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