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We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Raul Alva on June 29, 2011 at 6:53pm
Although beauty contestants may be not a standard sample from USA population, there are these results to be taken into account: Gallup poll among Americans, in december2010 shows 40% believe in Creationist view, 38% believe in Theistic evolution, and 16% believe in Naturalistic evolution. I think "math" parody video shows the best answer to this illiterate or perverse question, "do you believe in evolution?", and it is "Is that a joke?" (the one a science educated person -no matter the age or professional activity- should respond).
Comment by Jennifer R on June 29, 2011 at 5:50pm
We're talking about Miss USA who gets to compete in the Miss Universe pageant. Not Miss America.
Comment by Alice on June 29, 2011 at 5:19pm
It is very surprising though, that a self professed science geek would win Miss America - I didn't think they have those values.  Perhaps she had other 'assets'.
Comment by Rudy V Kiist on June 29, 2011 at 1:44pm
No offense, but how is she any different than most of your politicians and dignitaries?
Comment by Jennifer R on June 29, 2011 at 12:04pm
I think we should start a separate topic for this discussion instead of pinging everyone's inbox.
Comment by Chuck VonDerAhe on June 29, 2011 at 11:40am
The way I express it is, "I accept the fact of the evolutionary theory".
Comment by Marc Draco on June 29, 2011 at 11:19am

No Mike, we don't... we can separate "belief" in the demonstrable (2+2=4) from belief in the supernatural; theists, on the other hand, cannot!

 

Hence my use of quotes around "believe".

 

English is a very powerful way to express yourself - it has the 2nd highest redundancy of all popular languages - but when a word like belief is hijacked in two different meanings, then one side has to stop using it to avoid confusion.

Comment by Marc Draco on June 29, 2011 at 10:58am
Something else to be mindful of here too. We don't "believe" in evolution. We understand it, follow it... etc. but NEVER believe in it. Belief is a word that should be reserved for the intangible - and in science that is limited to very few theoretical objects at the extremes of physics.
Comment by Jennifer R on June 29, 2011 at 10:34am
Watching that video a couple weeks ago made me embarrassed for our country. The fact that only two believed in evolution is disheartening. But then, i have to remember the background of the kind of people who participate in beauty pageants and tell myself that these 50 women are by no means a representative pool of the people in our country. At least that's what is keeping me from slitting my wrists.
Comment by Marc Draco on June 29, 2011 at 10:28am
Either way, I'll reserve judgement. This kind of optimism can turn into a train wreck just as quickly.
 

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