ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Joseph P on October 24, 2011 at 5:08pm

They're just saying that it's the same level of faith as what you get with belief in a deity, Terri.  From what I'm getting of the discussion so far, they're not accusing you of being a theist.  To summarize, I think:

 

Believing in this sort of thing doesn't disqualify you from being an atheist, but it does disqualify you from being a good skeptic.

 

I've run into the same thing, with new-agers abusing quantum mechanics.  My roommate loaned me 'The Secret' in audiobook format.  That book pulled the same "Recent advances in Quantum Mechanics have shown that <insert their particular new-age woo woo>."

The moment you hear or read that phrase, and it's not coming out of the mouth of a quantum physicist, they're spinning pure bullshit.  If quantum physics shows something, then why don't the quantum physicists tell us about it?  Why do you only ever hear it spoken in a sing-song, new-agey voice?  If that doesn't immediately trigger your skeptical instinct, you're doing something wrong.

 

It's like the 9/11 truthers that you get in some atheist groups.  Hell, we have a group of them tucked around here somewhere.  I can't deny that they're atheists, when they say they are, but they're shitty skeptics.

Comment by Alecks Gates on October 24, 2011 at 5:07pm
Science requires an open mind, or you won't learn anything new.
Comment by Terri Harshman on October 24, 2011 at 3:30pm

First - The comment prior to Sam.... I take that as quite offensive.  I am a person without faith or belief in any god or god-like thing. 

 

Second - Sam... I already have all of his books.  He is one of my favorite authors.

Comment by Sam in WV on October 24, 2011 at 3:21pm
This vook by Victor Stenger has been recommended to me a number of times, so I will pass it along. 
Comment by Natalie A Sera on October 24, 2011 at 3:12pm
If you are open to believing things like quantum anything on an every-day scale, or negative or positive "energies" or reading someone's "electrical field" or any other kind of woo, you might as well believe in god. It works out to the same thing.
Comment by Rob Larson on October 24, 2011 at 2:50pm
If it might be wishful thinking or delusion, or it might be some complicated unproved hypothetical variant of quantum mechanics, I'd suggest Occam's Razor applies.
http://jimporto.wordpress.com/tag/religion/
Comment by Terri Harshman on October 24, 2011 at 2:32pm

I will be pulling out my "Compendium of Quantum Physics" tonight to review quantum decoherence.

Thank you for letting me know.

Comment by Terri Harshman on October 24, 2011 at 2:05pm
It sounds like I need to re-read some of my quantum mechanics books again....lol
Comment by Susan Stanko on October 24, 2011 at 1:50pm
Yes, it is important to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.
Comment by Terri Harshman on October 24, 2011 at 1:44pm

I will be the first to acknowledge that I do not know everything about anything, but I also know that we as a people know very very very little about anything at all.  It is best, in my opinion again, too keep an open mind and not dismiss something bases on a word "quantum".  It is often overlooked that it not only researches the very small but it also focuses on the very large as well.

 

As one of my favorite sayings go, "Of course science doesn't know everything, otherwise it would stop".

 

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