ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Drew Carpenter on September 17, 2013 at 12:21pm

That is good news, Dorian. I wonder how much the internet might have to do with this move away from religion?

Comment by Dorian Moises Mattar on September 17, 2013 at 11:01am
Comment by Lex Allen on September 17, 2013 at 1:04am

I disagree somewhat with Dorian Moises Mattar that, "religious institutions are loosing so much ground that they are throwing wild punches in desperation."

In fact, the resignation of Benedict and election of Francis was a brilliantly calculated move.  Out with the old, in with the new, flexible and slightly more accommodating Pope who appeals to the young.  Church membership has stopped its decline, in fact it's moving upwards.  Catholics around the globe and saying to the agnostics and fence riders, "See, we're not so bad after all?"

Soon, however, this pope will have start backing up his words regarding homosexuals, atheists and women.  "Who am I to judge a homosexual?", "Even atheists who do good works will be welcome in heaven", etc. 

Media spins have the cardinals that support the pope in an uproar over his supposedly ad lib, contra-dogmatic comments.  Don't believe it! It's all part and parcel of a new strategy and the Church leadership (including Pope Francis) have no intention of actually changing anything.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 16, 2013 at 10:29pm

There is another compounding variable taking place here that explains the conflicts and confusion, often expressed by people who believe in myths, vote their beliefs, end up with lousy government and wonder why? The issue of free will is a symptom of a much deeper problem. If one believes individuals have free will and make decisions based on sound judgment, they simply are wrong. Fear based on disinformation and delusion gets us no where. 

Atheists seem to have a clue about identifying problems based on evidence, creating ideas and processes to overcome challenges, explore and experiment with different things and then observe outcomes. That is how USA put a man on the moon and brought him home safely. 

Gregg Palast, a muckraker of notorious repute, tells a story about how we got into this economic/political mess. It doesn't involve religion, however it does involve what happens when misinformed citizens make choices based on propaganda. Many people do not want to consider his story, valuing loyalty and faithfulness as a higher value than critical thinking. 

Atheists need to speak their truth to power. By remaining silent, atheists become part of the problem. What have we got to lose by being informed and telling the story of cronyism, corruption, and crime? What do we gain if we speak out? 

I have no idea if the voting public members have free will; perhaps fear and disinformation clouds their thinking. In any event, here is the article and the theme I followed since Obama's first inauguration day when he named all neocons to his financial team. 

Larry Summers: Goldman Sacked

Comment by Dorian Moises Mattar on September 16, 2013 at 9:50pm

Joan, that was beautiful writing!


I don't think that you are missing much.

I'll have to look into the origins of Capitalism, but I wouldn't doubt it.

There has to be a better way than this rat race!

Comment by Dorian Moises Mattar on September 16, 2013 at 9:38pm

Now that's an irony!   LMAO

Comment by The Flying Atheist on September 16, 2013 at 8:48pm

Yes, teach the controversy! 

Comment by Dorian Moises Mattar on September 16, 2013 at 7:38pm

I second that motion.

Education of ALL religions.

Comment by Christopher Lowe on September 16, 2013 at 6:48pm

Education, education, education. Before the religious can proceed with indoctrination! Daniel Dennett got it right when he proposed  mandatory, non judgemental, non threatening looks at all the worlds religions in the classroom just for informational purposes kids can put in their back pockets. If for no other reason than to teach them there are different ways different cultures view things. I know it's pie in the sky, but better information begets better decisions. There is a culture of anti science out there combined with a defunding of education  whose only purpose seems to shield unfounded dogmas from challenge and this seems to me to be very unfortunate indeed. 

Comment by Homer Edward Price on September 16, 2013 at 5:36pm

Chad Kreutzer is correct that freedom of religion and Darwinian (or free market) competition for members has strengthened religious denominations in the United States.   At least that is the consensus of sociologists of religion.   Established churches or state religions are weakened by their identification with the powers that be rather than with the common people, in addition to the laziness allowed by state subsidies.  But the evangelicals and Catholics are not satisfied with freedom of religion, as an earlier commenter mentioned.  They want dominion.

 

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