ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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The portrait is Charles Darwin, age 31, in 1840

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Comment by Marc Draco on December 2, 2010 at 8:01am
Oh, and Steve, please be more careful in what you post here - you're in serious danger of coming over as a troll; and that's not a good thing.
Comment by Marc Draco on December 2, 2010 at 8:00am
Alex Jones is a kook. I doubt you could explain the difference between correlation and causation to him... Next he'll be telling us that climate change is a government conspiracy.
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Comment by Tony Davis on November 25, 2010 at 8:59am
Two things:

First, its been a while since I read End of Faith (maybe time for another read) so I forgot about the capital offense of desecrating a cracker. I was actually wondering about that and was going to ask a Catholic friend how offensive a Catholic might find it if I were to show disrespect toward a cracker and wine (considering some Muslims kill over cartoons).

Second thing, I posted an article on the Argument from Design LATE LATE last night. As before, any feedback (especially for anything I might have gotten wrong) is appreciated. The Fine Tuning Argument is next. By the way, I pained over how to treat these as they both fall under the teleological argument but my articles are already far longer than the Examiner likes them to be so I think this was the best way to do it. Article here: http://www.examiner.com/skepticism-in-washington-dc/tony-davis

VR,
Tony
Comment by Dr. Terence Meaden on November 24, 2010 at 5:58am
Re Claudia, below:

That's a revealing anecdote expressed by Cardinal Newman himself about how he agonized and wriggled to uphold what is nothing but the apogee of religious farce.

As such it helps explain the origin and perpetuation of illogical beliefs.
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on November 24, 2010 at 12:52am
I don't think you should clone Jesus in a lab.
I think he would be VERY!!! pissed to see what is being done in his name!

Gary
Comment by Geraldo Cienmarcos on November 23, 2010 at 4:21pm
a link to a YouTube video of a debate (participants including Dawkins, Shermer) : Does the Universe Havea Purpose?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6tIee8FwX8


Michael Shermer: "What is our purpose? We come from stardust. All of the elements of which we are made of were cooked inside stars, coalesced into new solar systems like ours, and here we are complex organisms. For 3 and 1/2 billion years life has evolved from one generation to the next not one broken chain in this long link. Darwin said instead of finding this to be depressing as our opponents think this is a grim world view, in fact it's an ennobling world view. Darwin said, "When I view all beings not as special creations, but as the lineal descendants of some few beings which lived long ago they seem to be to become ennoble. It's ennobling to think how fortunate we are to be part of that 3 and 1/2 billion year long chain. We are an integral link in that. What could be more uplifting than that. But there is more than that. We have big brains. We can do many different things to contribute to this lineal descent of hitting our genes into the next generation. In fact there is a science that studies this. It is what makes people happy, fulfilled, and feeling like they have purpose. There are four things you can do. 1. Deep love, family commitment, commitment to another person, even a person of the same gender ... 2. Meaningful work and career, that is doing something productive makes people feel fulfilled, happy and have a sense of purpose. Not just to make money, but to actually do something in the world that makes a difference. 3. We are a social primate species. How we interact with other people matters. So the third thing you can do is be involved socially, politically, in your community, not just your family and your extended family but people you don't know, strangers, manning the soup kitchens, volunteering for non-profits, helping other people in some way. This is one of the things that people report makes them feel better, happier, fulfilled, giving them deep purpose in their lives. And finally 4. Some sense of transcendence, something beyond you. Now religion claims this as their monopoly, their exclusive rights to the idea of being spiritually fulfilled. This is nonsense. The religious world view is so small, so medieval in this tiny little proscenium right here at the stage on earth of which we're acting out this drama just for some grand life to come. No, that's not what counts. What counts is the here and now. If there is no after life, if there is no God, how important it is now what you do. Now is when it counts. Your relationships with other people now is what counts and matters. Not so you can chalk up some points for next life, to get a bonus and move up the ranks of to some special country club on high. No, what you do now matters. Now I'm going to close with a quote from Helen Keller most of you probably know that Helen Keller was blind, deaf, and dumb, 1930s, who found deep significance, wrote, "I know no study that will take you nearer to the way of happiness than the study of nature and I include in the study of nature, not only things and their forces, but mankind and their ways and the molding of the affections and the will into an earnest desire not only to be happy, but to create happiness and it all comes down to this, the simplest way to be happy is to do good."
Comment by Tony Davis on November 22, 2010 at 9:09pm
Hello all. Well, I've been slacking since I posted the article on the Minimal Facts argument and its almost time for the next one. I think I will break down the Teleological Argument into the Argument from Design and the Fine Tuning Argument. Does that seem to make sense to everyone here or am I possibly confusing some issues? I am confident that I can show how either is wrong, I just want to make sure my terminology is all straight. I don't want some fundie to use my mislabeling an idea to make it seem as if "God really did do it all after all." ;-)

And by the way, thanks a lot to all of you who posted your ideas to my last article here as well as on the column itself!

VR,
Tony
Comment by david perry on November 20, 2010 at 3:06pm
Here's a nice series of essays from ActionBioscience pressing the case for I.D. with rebuttals by evolutionists.
Comment by Joseph P on November 20, 2010 at 3:03pm
@Mike K. & Greg Deering
Pretty much what Mike said, yeah. That's the edge that Scientology has over Christianity. Also, they knew not to tell someone about the batshit crazy stuff until after he/she was heavily financially invested in the cult. Shame about the people who broke out and posted the theology online.
 

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