ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Joseph P on November 18, 2010 at 4:28pm
Heh.
Comment by Tony Davis on November 18, 2010 at 4:11pm
ohhh myyy goddd... I am SUCH a moron! OK, doing pushups now as penance... (still in the military for a few more months!)
Comment by Tony Davis on November 18, 2010 at 3:59pm
Dr. Meaden - Fascinating point, for me at least. Just a few days ago I thought I had made up the word "atheologist", then you replied back with some great information. And today I was reading John Shook's new book "The God Debates" (which he signed for me the other night in DC) and on page 13 he talks about this: "Atheology is the intellectual effort to explain why a worldview should not include any god."

Interesting book so far!

VR,
Tony
Comment by Joseph P on November 18, 2010 at 3:59pm
Peter, Paul, and Mary ... no, nothing?
Comment by Tony Davis on November 18, 2010 at 3:54pm
Mike - No worries. Easy enough to do!

Joseph - Sorry buddy, not following ya. Can you explain a bit and help me out? :-)
Comment by Joseph P on November 18, 2010 at 3:33pm
What about Mary? She completes the trio.
Comment by Tony Davis on November 18, 2010 at 12:36pm
Forgive my ignorance guys, but aren't we confusing Peter with Paul? It was Saul of Tarsus, great persecutor of Christians, who was struck blind by a great light, who became Paul, later St. Paul and the most influential person in Christianity (even more influential that Christ himself if you study it historically)....

Or did Peter also have epilepsy? ;-p
Comment by Gregg Deering on November 18, 2010 at 12:20pm
Mike, Acts dated later than the Gospels, even Christian theologians stay away from using Acts to prove anything. There was no Peter. Some one may have to break the news to Christopher....?
Comment by Gregg Deering on November 18, 2010 at 9:18am
It’s always struck me as weird, if the discussion was who has a better chance of being real Odysseus or Robin Hood, would there be a heated argument, and I doubt it.

A – Jesus was in Jerusalem, and according to the Bible had hundreds of followers. We have more information on many lesser individuals at the time. The info we have on Jesus by Romans is probably forged by later Christians. What we have is a Messianic claimant in the center of the Middle East and no one noticed?
B) But if Peter the Ditch Digger became the savior of humanity would we be having this debate? Wouldn’t it be easier to make this Peter up? By the way read about Paul – he had no interest in finding anything about the “real” Jesus. He knew nothing about him; he must have been the least curious person in history. Yet – he’s considered an authority?

To find out about Peter, the Brother of the Lord and a lot of cool things try (if you are the academic type) to take a look at this site, there are intelligent people on both sides of the Historical/Myth fence
http://www.freeratio.org/forumdisplay.php?f=60

My major problem is with people playing “I think” or “just so” ideas without evidence is that it’s little more than “feel good-ism”. It’s the last reality lifeline we throw Christians, “He must have been a very wise man.” But find that man? He’s a god, in a book about a god’s story and we can not forget that. Could you strip away the legend of Santa Clause to find the real St. Nick - or even a plain Nick witha long white beard an a weight issue? Even Jesus’ last words on the cross were lifted from the Psalms - the oldest OT writing we have. Again, we don’t even know if his name was Jesus, if it was a “him” of course.

Oddly this is the only case I am aware of where wide variants of a story about the life and teachings of an individual spread across Africa and Asia minor and Europe and this mass is narrowed through power struggles (in the 4th century) – and that this “Life” gets whittled down to 4 books (ok 4-6 plus letters). Those in control these books do their best to destroy the other 99% of available Christian information. Generally it works the other way, a simple story is embellished my many cultures and spreads as it becomes embellished and mythologized. Oddly with Christianity just the opposite happened.
Comment by Tommy on November 18, 2010 at 5:57am
My guess would be that there was a man named Jesus. Can you imagine the impact of a Jim Jones or David Koresh 2000 years ago. We have had many people that have claimed the title of the son of god and if, in this day in time people are stupid enough to fall for this can you imaging how gullible people a couple of centuries ago would be. I am most interested in the brain washing affect religion has on people. It is absolutely amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people taught to believe from birth can almost tremble at the thought that their god might not exist. My son who is now in college told me yesterday he was jumped in school (8th grade) for being an atheist. The teacher told him he deserved it. I think its because people are afraid of atheist and realize that if they were forced to think about it they could not believe any longer. I have heard that the bible was originally used as a way to control the people and if this is true the bible is the most powerful brain washing weapon of all time. Its like a virus of the mind. Rather Jesus actually existed I doubt if we will ever know for sure. We do know the bible exist and was the grandest scam in human history.
 

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