ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Idaho Spud on April 17, 2015 at 10:36am

The spacecraft studying mercury will crash into it at the end of this month, but scientists are very happy with what it's found.

For one thing, huge amounts of water on that hot planet, in the polar craters.

http://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/april/nasa-spacecraft-achieves-unpre...

Comment by sk8eycat on April 14, 2015 at 10:14pm

GOOD letter!  I hope it does get published. 

The only thing I might add would be the question, "How would an omniscient being NOT know how his handiwork would turn out before she-he-it began it?"

I get so tired of hearing or reading victims of crimes and catastrophes say "De lard is testing my faith."  The buybullgod doesn't need to "test" anything. She-he-it is supposed to already know.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on April 14, 2015 at 9:57pm

I just sent this to the Editor of the local newspaper for entry into :Letters to the Editor".  I doubt if he will publish it.

"After watching the news of the Middle East for the past 15 years, I can’t understand why more people aren’t Atheists.

Here we have Jews, Muslims, and Christians who are truly good people, and devoutly religious, each in their own way.  All  of them sincerely believe that the religion they are following is the proper way to adore God, and yet God is letting them down.  Millions of people are dying for no other reason than that they believe in God, and are following Him in the way they think He wants.

If there is a God, why doesn’t He light the burning bush again, and explain to the people what it is that He wants from them?  Why is He letting all of this carnage happen in His name, to the very people who adore Him the most?  An omnipotent God that  could stop it all with the snap of His fingers.  It just doesn’t make any sense for a “loving and caring God” to allow this death and destruction to continue.".

Comment by Joseph P on April 14, 2015 at 8:14pm

Wow!  My dad only burned me with cigarettes.  Was I a lucky kid or what?

Compared to what one girl I know had done to her by her ultra-conservative Mormon parents, yeah, you were lucky.

"Yeah, your brother raped you repeatedly and threw you up against the wall repeatedly, but you're a horrible person to expect us to report it and destroy family unity."

Of course there was never any kind of punishment imposed on the brother by the parents, either.

As for your basic point, though ...

I've never understood how the redemption through the sacrifice of Jesus makes sense to anyone.  Just at face value, it always seemed utterly silly to me.  How does it have any effect upon anything if an omnipotent being decides to hang out in a human body for a few decades and have himself brutally beaten and executed?  On the grand scale of things, how does anyone think that will have the slightest impact upon our supposed sins?

Even leaving aside the ridiculousness of the basic proposition, there are at least a half-dozen other points at which I have a major issue.  Christians say that Yahweh had to do that, in order for him to forgive our sins and let us into heaven ... some flimsy excuse about how his infinitely perfect sense of justice made it so he had to do it.

We're talking about an infinite, omnipotent being here.  How does "have to" come into it, in any way?

Comment by Lemual Poot on April 14, 2015 at 6:45pm

My favorite theist jumps over and around all logic is, "Jesus died for your sins." And, "God sent his son to suffer and die for us." Huh!  So many times I've asked, "Could you explain that?"

What a brilliant plan.  First off, this god character rapes a virgin for the purpose of filicide.  Then he takes the rotting corpse with him and has the dead kid's buddies start a cult.  That cult then plunges the world into two millennium of ignorance, plague, and pestilence.  All the while, amassing history’s greatest collection of murders, rapes, and genocide.  Proof positive that god loves us.  Did I get all that right?

Wow!  My dad only burned me with cigarettes.  Was I a lucky kid or what?  

Comment by Susan Stanko on February 21, 2015 at 11:18am

No, I was quoting Dr. Meaden's post.  Trying to understand what he just said.

Comment by Lemual Poot on February 21, 2015 at 10:45am

Susan,

Is the charter you quoted the same one that Elenor Roosvelt dedicated her life to?  I had thought it didn't get ratified until the fifties sometime.  It's such a shame that a beautiful documment such as that could b so ignored by the very countries that signed it!

Comment by Lemual Poot on February 21, 2015 at 10:42am

Comment by Lemual Poot on February 21, 2015 at 10:40am

"People say they want to be free and decide their own fate, but in reality, they want a strong, charismatic leader, in which they can put all their faith and destinies."

Adolf Hitler

Comment by Joseph P on February 20, 2015 at 7:46pm

That's what you have to watch out for in arguments in Christian apologetics, Lemual.  They switch definitions at will, often between step 1 and step 2 of an argument.

God is Love.  You feel love.  Therefore God exists.  And no, I'm not parodying a Christian argument to try to make it look stupid.  That is the argument, exactly as made by many Christians.  It's called an equivocation fallacy.

 

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