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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 9, 2016 at 2:57pm

Joseph, I keep falling in love with you, over and over again. You have a stellar attitude about yourself, others, women, and sexuality. I guess you will have to excuse the gushing of an 80-year-old woman. Just want to let you know I love you, as a grandson. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 9, 2016 at 2:33pm

Dominic, I am very glad you are a member of Atheist Nexus. I look forward to learning more about you and your country. I support you in your efforts to get work and will help with information as it becomes available to me. Sadly, I am not able to assist you with any amount of money. I wish I could. We do not make excuses for why we are not jumping at the chance to help you. We tell you the reality. 

I am confident you do not want to hear the trials and tribulations that confront us. The entire world exists in a state of flux. Many changes taking place at the same time increases tensions. What seems to be small problems balloon into earth-threatening ones. 

My advice to you is to let us know how your requests result in an address or books. At the same time, learn how to download information from the internet, if it is safe for you to do so. I don't suggest putting yourself at risk. I do suggest that the internet may be your only source for now. 

If getting atheist information over the internet is risky, then belonging to an atheist group is even riskier. We have lost some treasured friends to the dictates of Muslim regimes. 

Given all these factors confronting you, what options do you have? The trick is to find ways to thrive, even when you have so many obstacles. 

You are our teacher about your world. We only know what we can read in the paper or watch on TV. This one-to-one relationship makes for a more informed decision on our part and hopefully will benefit you. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 9, 2016 at 11:05am

Dominic, thank you for your response and you make perfect sense. Of course, you cannot get atheist material over the internet. It is just too risky, I appreciate that you remind us of the terrible things that can happen in such strict Muslim countries. 

Now, let's do some problem solving. I don't know what other options exist for the books or for the address. I will have to do some research to find organizations that may be able to help you. It will take me some time. Others may have better ideas; I hope so! 

In the meantime, will you please acknowledge Qiana's effort on your behalf?

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 9, 2016 at 10:54am

Dominic, I am sorry you have been out of work for so many years, and I applaud the fact that you try to find employment in foreign countries. That is a positive thing. 

Asking someone to offer their address for your noble efforts is asking too much. The high risks to do such a thing is because of all the corruption. An individual just cannot take that chance. An organization is better prepared to check out the validity of your character. Your word is not enough. 

As to the books, why do you want the books and not the links? Just as a matter of courtesy, I would expect you to at least acknowledge the effort of Qiana, who took the time and worked to find the links and send them. You did not acknowledge her efforts. It seems you just brushed her off without explanation or a "thank you, but no thanks".

We do not understand your circumstances because we do not know enough about your country and you. We do know what we read and see on TV, and that does not give us assurance that you are of good character. I am not saying you don't have good character; it seems you do because you are trying to better your life. However, we are all too aware of the scams of those from African nations. 

As to the christians being willing and able to respond to your requests, too many of them do such favors to get people such as yourself into their flocks. It is a money issue, the more people, the more money they can scrounge. Be cautious of those bearing gifts. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 9, 2016 at 10:33am

I agree, Qiana, he didn't acknowledge you sending him the links, I sent one before I realized you had already sent them. He lacks social skills. 

People in foreign lands have the perception that U.S. people are wealthy and have money flowing out of our pockets. I learned that when I did my research in Asia and Europe. 

Comment by Susan Stanko on June 9, 2016 at 7:40am

Raven, sounds like your ex may be demisexual.  It is on the asexual spectrum.  They only get sexual attraction when there is a deep emotional bond.

Comment by Raven Burnes on June 9, 2016 at 1:12am

Hi, Joseph. I like your honesty. I'll just "friend" you on here. :)

Comment by Joseph P on June 9, 2016 at 1:01am

@Raven

In my case, it'll be a bit more complicated, if I ever actually get on Facebook.  I mean, I would love to keep in better contact with my extended family back in Chicago.  I haven't seen any of them in far too long.  So, I wouldn't be keeping myself down to a limited number of contacts.

I don't know that many of my family members take their religion all that seriously ... except for my one aunt who is a nun, obviously.

But for any who are seriously Catholic, my own activities would probably be annoying.  I would be shutting down any religious nonsense that they tried to stick all over my wall, but I would be posting my own anti-religious stuff.  I have enough tact (barely) to not stick anti-religious stuff on their walls, but my own wall would be a presentation of my own perspective, for anyone who looked at it.

Let's be honest.  There's no way I'm going to remember your address by the time I set up an account, and if I stick it somewhere for future reference, it'll just get lost in the mass of things that I have made a note of to check out later ... somewhere around here ... somewhere.  I know myself too well to think that there would be any other outcome.  ^.^

I'll give you a poke if that happens, though, so I can get the info from you again.

@Qiana

You might have to do a bit of digging to find the cheaper rates.  It took me a good bit of searching to find the more reasonable surface-rates.  I never did find anything except for air rates on the UPS website, although the surface rates are probably in there somewhere.

Priority air rates are absolutely ridiculous, coming in at at least $100, for the parameters I plugged in.  Express rates were beyond ludicrous.

It's quite possible that the greater distance has an impact for you, though.  I'm on the east coast of the US, fairly close to a major port.  If you aren't on the east coast of Canada, then the package would have to make a few more hops, costing more.

@Dominic

Here's the big problem in your thinking, man:

We're online.  There are a lot of different sorts of resources online.  Some of these books that you're talking about are available in .pdf format.

Hell, the Arabic version of The God Delusion is available for free, linked from Dawkins's own site, at https://richarddawkins.net/2014/11/the-god-delusion/.  I'm not sure about the English version, since I own print copies of most of his stuff.

There are a few major sites like http://rationalwiki.org and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com.  There are a lot of YouTubers like Steve Shives, who read Christian apologetics books and offer commentary and rebuttals, creating a product similar to the major atheism books that you're asking about.

Basically, if getting physical books is that difficult for you, there are so many alternative resources for you.  We have the internet now, you know.  If you asked about those instead of books, you might do a lot better.

Comment by Qiana-Maieev on June 8, 2016 at 6:40pm

@Joseph,

The postage is more expensive in Canada, & even worse to send something overseas. 

I found links to download some of the books, but my effort wasn't good enough.

Then wanting us to deliver resumes as well, is going too far.

Comment by Raven Burnes on June 8, 2016 at 6:31pm

Joseph P. Lol. That's cool. I have a minor love/hate relationship with Facebook. But I've resolved that by keeping the friend count small and only keeping friends I actually talk to occasionally and have things in common with. I haven't added most of my family due to the drama thing. Well, if you change your mind, at least you have my address. :)

 

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