ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Jennifer R on November 17, 2010 at 8:39pm
There are plenty of books and documentaries refuting the historical existence of Jesus of Nazareth. In fact...there may never have even been a Nazareth. Here is a website. http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

An interesting documentary on the subject I saw recently was The God Who Wasn't There.
Comment by Tony Davis on November 17, 2010 at 8:22pm
LOL are you guys talking about "The Life of Brian"? Great movie! I think my favorite part was when they went before Pontius Pilate and he had a speech impediment and said his "Rs" like "Ws", so he would up releasing "Bawabas".

On a more serious note, the idea of Jesus being a breed of people and folks recognizing him.... One thing I find very interesting is how nobody recognized him at first after his resurrection, even after walking some distance and talking to him, or sitting down to eat with him. And no good reason is given for this that I am aware of.
Comment by Susan Stanko on November 17, 2010 at 5:07pm
Didn't Monty Python do that?
Comment by Mark M on November 17, 2010 at 4:54pm
Ron Cole,

I, too, am of the opinion that the Jesus of the Bible was a real person. I think that he was one of the myriad self-proclaimed prophets roaming the region at the time, and he won the eternal notoriety lottery.
Comment by Mark M on November 17, 2010 at 4:51pm
*surprised, *interment
Comment by Mark M on November 17, 2010 at 4:50pm
well, the absence of evidence certainly isn't evidence of absence, so i would say the fact that we don't have a lot of archaeological evidence of crucifixion victims doesn't necessarily mean that we can assume that it was their policy to never allow the family to bury them. for the record, all I know about Roman practice regarding the bodies of their executed comes from your previous post and from having seen a few movies and history channel documentaries about Rome, so if your knowledge of these matters makes my argument a weak one I would not be surprisd. it might help to know how common intermet was in the various communities under roman rule. also, I would find it difficult to believe that mid-level legal authorities taking bribes was anything but common.
Comment by Bryon on November 17, 2010 at 4:04pm
conceivable perhaps but unlikely. If he existed, he would most likely would have been executed for insurrection or some such thing and would not have been allowed a respectful burial. not to mention that the archeological evidence would indicate that the Romans were not in the habit of taking bribes for such things.
Comment by Mark M on November 17, 2010 at 2:08pm
Byron,

Just saw this post while dicking around at work, so I ran it by a Christian colleague of mine. He pointed out that Joseph of Arimathaea came to Pilate the day after the crucifixion and paid Pilate to have the body removed to his custody. This is concieveable, as it would represent a bribe. In the case of Vercingetorix, it makes sense that a bribe wouldn't be honored as he was an enemy of the state, but for a petty criminal to be removed from the cross isn't outside the realm of possibility.
Comment by Tony Davis on November 17, 2010 at 10:47am
Bryon,

Thanks so much for taking the time to read, and comment on, my articles. It is one thing for me to blather on about what I think on certain topics, but to have others like you commenting really adds a lot to it!

VR,
Tony
Comment by Bryon on November 17, 2010 at 10:43am
Here is my post on your article. It is there as well.

Another thing that seems to very rarely if ever come up when discussing the crucifixion is how quickly the body was removed upon death. The whole point of crucifixion is the terror inspired by seeing such gruesome, tortuous execution and the lack of respect for the remains of the "criminals" killed. The body of Vercingetorix, had to be stolen back by his Gallic followers after being dumped in a mass grave for executed criminals and he was a King. So what are the chances of the Romans turning the body of a criminal over to the family? They didn't even do that for Citizens. Despite the fact that the ancient Jewish historian Josephus, as well as other sources, refers to the crucifixion of thousands of people by the Romans, including 6,000 survivors of the Spartacus revolt captured by the legions of Crassus were crucified, lining the Appian Way from Rome to Capua, there is only a single archaeological discovery of a crucified body dating back to the Roman Empire around the time of Jesus.This is because a crucified body was usually left to decay on the cross and therefore would not be preserved. Again, Rome was ruled by terror.
 

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