ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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The portrait is Charles Darwin, age 31, in 1840

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Comment by Scott on August 15, 2009 at 8:43pm
Just a random thought. Isn't it funny that the vast majority of people who went to see the movie "expelled" also think that the maker (Ben Stein) is going to hell because he is no a Christian. Is that irony? I would love to hear Ben's reaction to someone asking him about this.
Comment by Johnny on August 8, 2009 at 4:18am
Yes. Thanx for the response.

I guess I have been using a more general defn of evolution. Not sure when I broadened it - perhaps during my extensive readings on emergence and self-organizing systems. I tend to believe in a reductionist view of everything, and blur the human abstraction layers we have imposed on science into a continuum.
Comment by Johnny on August 8, 2009 at 2:13am
Thanx for your response Robert. I am referring to the video posted below that specifically goes out of it's way to make the separation... perhaps they are referring to the specific Theory of Evolution by Natural (biological) Selection vs. a more general definition of evolution.
Comment by Robert Tobin on August 8, 2009 at 12:20am
Well Johnny I suppose the people who think evolotion has nothing to do with the origin of life are those with no school science education, who have had their brains fried out with the Holey" Bible not realising it is the worst book of fiction ever written. It also includes Roman Catholics who are not allowed to question or think for themselves. They must swallow all the bullshit the church tells them with questioning. That is especially now that Pope "Bean-a-Dick" is in charge. He does not like science.
Comment by Johnny on August 7, 2009 at 11:20pm
Can someone please explain to me how evolution has "nothing to do with the origin of life? I thought Dawkins has made this quite clear.
Comment by Jared Lardo on July 11, 2009 at 1:53pm
Yeah, it's the fourth movement of Beethoven's 9th, and the ending's cut off.
Comment by Michelle on July 10, 2009 at 11:27am
Luke: Beethoven's 9th, unless I'm incorrect, but It may have been the actual end, I'm having a hard time finding a better recording.
Comment by Luke on July 10, 2009 at 1:03am
@Michell: Could you give me the name of the recording, please?
Comment by Michelle on July 5, 2009 at 3:37pm
I just annoyed they cut off the end of the song. That is one of the best pieces of music ever and I really liked the recording and they cut it off at the climax. Cold. Truly cold.
Comment by Jared Lardo on June 30, 2009 at 12:07pm
I continue to be shocked at how many people talk about the self-replicating molecule as if it's the "big, shiny, new thing" with regard to abiogenesis.

Maybe fatty acids don't do anything like that upon which this video bases a version of abiogenesis (I won't get far enough in chemistry courses to find out about if it's made of lies on my own until at least the fall if not next spring), in which case I can understand ignoring it, but even then, it's still a plausible version of events (ignoring the details) for how non-life yielded life.


I find it cool to think that nonliving stuff exhibited properties that we could reasonably call "competition", and that by a simple, few, nigh-binary variations, certain features that we still recognize today were naturally selected.
 

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