ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

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ORIGINS: UNIVERSE, LIFE, HUMANKIND, AND DARWIN

We debate origins of the Universe, life, Earth, humans, religion, atheism, using common sense, evolution, cosmology, geology, archaeology, and other sciences, to repel biblical creationism and other religious beliefs.

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Comment by Susan Stanko on June 9, 2016 at 7:40am

Raven, sounds like your ex may be demisexual.  It is on the asexual spectrum.  They only get sexual attraction when there is a deep emotional bond.

Comment by Raven Burnes on June 9, 2016 at 1:12am

Hi, Joseph. I like your honesty. I'll just "friend" you on here. :)

Comment by Joseph P on June 9, 2016 at 1:01am

@Raven

In my case, it'll be a bit more complicated, if I ever actually get on Facebook.  I mean, I would love to keep in better contact with my extended family back in Chicago.  I haven't seen any of them in far too long.  So, I wouldn't be keeping myself down to a limited number of contacts.

I don't know that many of my family members take their religion all that seriously ... except for my one aunt who is a nun, obviously.

But for any who are seriously Catholic, my own activities would probably be annoying.  I would be shutting down any religious nonsense that they tried to stick all over my wall, but I would be posting my own anti-religious stuff.  I have enough tact (barely) to not stick anti-religious stuff on their walls, but my own wall would be a presentation of my own perspective, for anyone who looked at it.

Let's be honest.  There's no way I'm going to remember your address by the time I set up an account, and if I stick it somewhere for future reference, it'll just get lost in the mass of things that I have made a note of to check out later ... somewhere around here ... somewhere.  I know myself too well to think that there would be any other outcome.  ^.^

I'll give you a poke if that happens, though, so I can get the info from you again.

@Qiana

You might have to do a bit of digging to find the cheaper rates.  It took me a good bit of searching to find the more reasonable surface-rates.  I never did find anything except for air rates on the UPS website, although the surface rates are probably in there somewhere.

Priority air rates are absolutely ridiculous, coming in at at least $100, for the parameters I plugged in.  Express rates were beyond ludicrous.

It's quite possible that the greater distance has an impact for you, though.  I'm on the east coast of the US, fairly close to a major port.  If you aren't on the east coast of Canada, then the package would have to make a few more hops, costing more.

@Dominic

Here's the big problem in your thinking, man:

We're online.  There are a lot of different sorts of resources online.  Some of these books that you're talking about are available in .pdf format.

Hell, the Arabic version of The God Delusion is available for free, linked from Dawkins's own site, at https://richarddawkins.net/2014/11/the-god-delusion/.  I'm not sure about the English version, since I own print copies of most of his stuff.

There are a few major sites like http://rationalwiki.org and http://skepticsannotatedbible.com.  There are a lot of YouTubers like Steve Shives, who read Christian apologetics books and offer commentary and rebuttals, creating a product similar to the major atheism books that you're asking about.

Basically, if getting physical books is that difficult for you, there are so many alternative resources for you.  We have the internet now, you know.  If you asked about those instead of books, you might do a lot better.

Comment by Qiana-Maieev on June 8, 2016 at 6:40pm

@Joseph,

The postage is more expensive in Canada, & even worse to send something overseas. 

I found links to download some of the books, but my effort wasn't good enough.

Then wanting us to deliver resumes as well, is going too far.

Comment by Raven Burnes on June 8, 2016 at 6:31pm

Joseph P. Lol. That's cool. I have a minor love/hate relationship with Facebook. But I've resolved that by keeping the friend count small and only keeping friends I actually talk to occasionally and have things in common with. I haven't added most of my family due to the drama thing. Well, if you change your mind, at least you have my address. :)

Comment by Qiana-Maieev on June 8, 2016 at 6:09pm

Maybe you're being too pushy?

You expect people to send you books at their expense?

Postage is not cheap either, & you can search the internet for free downloads just as the rest of us can.

I have plenty downloaded for free & even some come at a very reasonable price.

Comment by Joseph P on June 8, 2016 at 6:09pm

Eh, I pick up a lot of random stuff, Raven.  There's a significant jump from that to wisdom.  :-P

And yeah, there has to be some sort of connection, at least.  I could have and have had casual sex with one of my friends, if she was interested and it wouldn't make the friendship weird.  I don't necessarily need a deep, committed bond with someone before being interested in sex.

But there has to be at least something there, yeah ... some sort of emotional bond, even if only a casual one.  Sounds like your ex takes that to an even greater extreme than I do.

I can relate to the emotional issues, since my bipolar disorder kicked in when I was 11 or so.  I didn't get most of my crap together until after high school.  I wasn't so much shut down as much as I was in a fugue state, a lot of the time ... that or asleep a lot.

No Facebook, though.  I have Google+, since that pretty much automatically comes with a GMail account, but I don't do a whole lot with it.  If I had a Facebook account, it would be nonstop drama with my mostly-Catholic extended-family, I imagine.

I dunno.  I keep thinking about starting one up, then think better of it before I actually do.  That's been going on for several years now.

Comment by Joseph P on June 8, 2016 at 5:51pm

You also started off on entirely the wrong foot with me, with your talk about your wife and about the woman you broke up with before your wife.

When you said that you broke up with the one girl years ago, because your family and friends were against the relationship, and she wasn't pretty and tall, you came off as very sexist and shallow.  The only positive thing that you had to say about your current wife, which makes her better than the girl you broke up with, is that she is pretty and tall.

Focusing on those things is kind of demeaning towards women.  If my family and friends told me that they didn't approve of someone I was dating because she wasn't attractive enough, I would tell them to go fuck themselves.  I might even start looking for some better friends.

If my family and friends disapproved because the girl was crazy and not a nice person, that would be different, but you haven't said anything of the sort.

Comment by Raven Burnes on June 8, 2016 at 5:43pm

Hi, Joseph P,

I like your comments. Dead-on and also wise. Regarding the ex-boyfriend I was talking about, he had a strong sex drive, but didn't realize he had to be in love before he was turned on. I think a lot of "deeper" type men need some sort of intellectual connection, or at least respect before sex becomes appealing. This particular guy had a lot of emotional issues that kept him single for a longer time than normal and pushed other women away. I think he was just kind of shut down. Anyway, it's nice to meet you. If you have Facebook, my ID is skburnes.

Comment by Joseph P on June 8, 2016 at 4:54pm

And what do you mean about e-books not being available there?  They're digital.  You download them.  They're available worldwide, by definition.

 

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