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Comment by Joseph P on June 8, 2016 at 4:52pm

Part of the problem is that shipping costs from the US to Nigeria are very expensive.  The cheapest I was able to find, searching on the websites of a few of the package-carrying services, was $22.25 for the slowest mode, by ship.  That's 4,426 Nigerian Naira.

In other words, it costs more than twice the price of a new copy of the book in order to ship it to you.  Talking about cheap, used copies available doesn't matter, when shipping costs are so high.  It's a pretty major thing that you're proposing.

This is just a social site.  Trying to shame us with your comment about how Christians would do it is just going to piss most of us off.

Christians collect huge amounts of money every week, for the express purpose of proselytizing to people all over the world.  Of course they have the spare money to do it.  Most of us probably don't.

When what you're proposing is so difficult to arrange, getting physical books to you, you should look more into online resources.  Lots of atheist writers have blogs with a huge amount of material on them.  You'd be better off reading that sort of stuff.

Comment by Joseph P on June 8, 2016 at 4:09pm

The sort of guys that Raven is talking about would be a very tiny minority, Dominic.  Every single one of the gay guys I know has known that he was attracted to guys since about puberty.  Women tend to be a lot more fluid in their sexuality than men, on average, but you seem to be mostly focusing on guys here.

That guy could also just have a low sex drive.  I'd have to know a whole lot more about him, since there are so many possible explanations.  I can only wildly speculate about what his issue was.

It could also be a matter of the strip club part of things, with the guy about whom Raven is speaking.  I'm really not into strip clubs, myself.  Being in a crowd with a bunch of guys making noise and acting like idiots would kill it for me.

Even without the distraction of the other guys around the place, it would just make me frustrated as hell.  Getting worked up without actually being able to do anything with the women involved would just make me miserable.

And those strippers who would be open to prostitution wouldn't be any help.  I'm not into prostitutes, even though I support the legalization of prostitution in general.  If a woman is only there for the money, I'm not interested.  For me, sex is all about pleasing my partner, so if a woman wants to be paid for being there ... uh, yeah ... no, I'm not interested.

For that matter, most of the strippers I've seen aren't very appealing to me.  There are some, sure, but it's generally not my sort of thing.  On the whole, I'd rather just watch some lesbian porn.

On the issue of the books you're looking into, have you looked into e-books and audio books?  I think that most of the ones on your list should be available in digital text or audio format.

If the books aren't available in Nigeria, wouldn't you possibly run into issues if a customs agent got a little too nosy with your package?  I would think that digital would be a lot better for someone in your situation.

Comment by Loren Miller on June 8, 2016 at 11:43am

Dominic, I would also have to throw in god is Not Great, by Christopher Hitchens ... mostly just to have the Hitch represented there.  The books you list, though are a pretty damned good start.

Comment by Robert Lanktree on June 8, 2016 at 11:19am

Dominic, I am appalled at how people treat animals (not related I know but it's still a trait humans should be embarrassed of) and each other. The punishments and general values of some countries is just so 14th century I cannot rationalize it. We have had a VERY long time to get our act together collectively yet the vast majority still demonstrate more animal behaviour than human at times. Follow my train of thought Dominic? 

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 8, 2016 at 11:14am

We certainly don't all fit into nice neat categories! I've heard of people finding themselves having sexual chemistry with one particular woman, or one particular man, and they feel nothing like that with other people of that gender. For some others, gender simply isn't a big factor in who they're attracted to. Some people find that they need to be deeply emotionally connected with someone before they feel sexual attraction. And as you said, some just don't feel the desire for sex with other people.

Comment by Raven Burnes on June 8, 2016 at 11:06am

I do actually know someone who wasn't sure whom he was attracted to - males or females for a long time. He hadn't had a girlfriend and he was in his 20's. He went to a strip club and felt nothing for the women there. So he thought maybe he was gay. But he hung out with guys and felt nothing for them either. Eventually we met and he was really attracted to me. I was his first sex and he was definitely straight. But he did need to "experiment" - i.e. do some self-exploration before he was sure. Most people know instinctively, but I do think some people don't have strong sexual feelings until later in life or until they fall in love. And some people just aren't that sexual period.

Comment by Robert Lanktree on June 8, 2016 at 8:25am

I'm so sorry but after reading some of this thread...I thought we were supposedly the top species on this planet. I cannot believe what some humans (well, I think they are....) are capable of.

Comment by Susan Stanko on June 8, 2016 at 7:41am

Joseph, he might be thinking of bisexuals.  Even thought they are bi they usually prefer one sex to the other.

Comment by Joseph P on June 8, 2016 at 6:15am

Wow, I knew that Uganda and a few others were pretty bad.  I thought Nigeria was a little more reasonable than that.  Sheesh.

Comment by Jennifer W on June 8, 2016 at 6:00am
That's pretty surreal Dominic! Could you get less jail time for murder?

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