Pantheism- Naturalistic Spirituality


Pantheism- Naturalistic Spirituality

A religion old or new, that stressed the magnificence of the universe as revealed by modern science, might be able to draw forth reserves of reverence and awe hardly tapped by the conventional faiths. Sooner or later, such a religion will emerge.

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Comment by Lorien on June 30, 2009 at 9:44pm
Here is something I heard of back in December 2008:

Stuart Kauffman MD., FRSC
"Reinventing The Sacred"

It might be taking pantheism even further to a religion for the theists to convert to....
Part 3 for audio podcast of the interview
or download audio

Or is this guy nuts?
Comment by Paul Harrison on June 30, 2009 at 8:54pm
Good discussions here.
S. A. Alenthony wrote:
it really is just "sexed up atheism."
If you want to see what naturalistic spirituality looks like in action, and see in what concrete ways it sexes up atheism, then checkout
It's an interesting exercise to compare it with AtheistNexus (which by the way is excellent at what it does) to see how the added spices work.
We take non-theism for granted. It's the basic foundation. But we focus on the positive things that can be done AFTER that.
It's really worth while to sex up atheism, otherwise all you have is attacking religions and superstitions, which is worth doing but is not a rich basis for a full life.
It's really a matter of personal taste more than anything else.
I would agree with you. The basis of World Pantheism beliefs are naturalism, physicalism, and respect for the scientific method. We are not agnostic about the supernatural: we disbelieve in it, in any shape or form.
What do you after that is a matter of taste. You can love life or hate it, love Nature or hate it, love the Universe or hate it. It's like an aesthetic or ethical choice.
But then the question is: which flavor tastes better? Which flavor can help the planet out in its present situation? Which flavor can help you enjoy your life better?
Comment by Nate on June 30, 2009 at 7:28pm
I see no need to remove your post.

Don't get me wrong, I awe at nature's beauty and workings but it is that way because it evolved that way.

No disagreement here. The fact that it's evolved that way makes it no less wondrous.

John Keats' lament in his 1819 poem, Lamia:

"Do not all charms fly
At the mere touch of cold philosophy?
There was an awful rainbow once in heaven:
We know her woof, her texture; she is given
In the dull catalogue of common things.
Philosophy will clip an angel's wings,
Conquer all mysteries by rule and line,
Empty the haunted air, and gnomed mine -
Unweave a rainbow...."
The last line quoted above, which inspired biologist Richard Dawkins' book Unweaving the Rainbow, is worth studying for its relation to the fallacy of mystery. We now know that the rainbow is an optical illusion created by the refraction of sunlight through water droplets suspended in the air. The properties of the visible light spectrum that produces it, as well as the biochemical basis for color vision, are well-established facts, and science has long since moved on to study other natural phenomena. But does any of this make the misty colors of a rainbow in the clearing sky after a storm any less beautiful? On the contrary, understanding the true causes of things only allows us to appreciate them more; it adds more and deeper levels to our appreciation. A person acquainted with some basic principles of physics can admire a rainbow not just for its visual beauty, but also for the precision and elegance of the underlying natural laws that interact to produce it.

excerpt from Ebon Musings- Life of Wonder

I called myself a pure atheist before...

This is the mentality that confounds me. How is your atheism any more pure than mine? Why the need to see who's more zealously atheist? Such comparisons remind me of my experience with religion.

Once again, I say that if you're confusing spiritual atheism with "weak" atheism you've missed something.
Comment by Lorien on June 30, 2009 at 7:03pm
Sorry, the video was posted on this site in the video section already so I removed my post. My Bad for not checking everywhere first.

Don't get me wrong, I awe at nature's beauty and workings but it is that way because it evolved that way. I called myself a pure atheist before but I also identify with militant atheist for all the reasons given in that video by RobTheMonk8
Comment by Nate on June 30, 2009 at 6:51pm
I adore the song he used, Lorien- How It Ends by Devotchka. I've seen it performed live. Even spiritual atheists can express frustration at believers for their ignorance. But we remember that many of us were once believers. And we want to see what's beyond the end of religion. Don't think for a second that Pantheists or spiritual atheists are weak or "pussified". We just choose to identify ourselves as pro-nature, pro-life, pro-love, pro-reality and decline to identify ourselves as anti-ignorance, anti-cult and anti-religion. In the end, our goal is the same.
Comment by S.A. Alenthony on June 23, 2009 at 7:00am
I also fully agree with Dawkins that it really is just "sexed up atheism." It's really a matter of personal taste more than anything else.

One important role that religion serves for many people is that it provides a kind of narrative framework to base one's life around. Many of us like having a framework, but obvious cannot accept the ones that are steeped in the irrationality of revealed religion. To me, pantheism is a secular structure that works (for me). It is isn't the only one, though.
Comment by shaman sun on June 23, 2009 at 12:46am
Happy to see so many thoughtful comments here tonight. Thanks guys :)
Comment by Nate on June 22, 2009 at 10:54pm
"I bask in the majesty of the cosmos...We are in the universe;the universe is in us. And I don't know any deeper spiritual feeling than what that brings upon me."- Neil deGrasse Tyson(astrophysicist)
Comment by S.A. Alenthony on June 22, 2009 at 10:17pm
I don't think it is an issue of science vs. pantheism.... I'm a physicist by education, and Einstein was a pantheist... my six years in grad school was the time when I got all pantheistic, anyway. The more I learned, the more profound it all became for me.
Comment by Nate on June 22, 2009 at 10:11pm
In accord with Katrina's well-written personal explanation of Pantheism/naturalistic spirituality, the purpose of this group is not to dogmatically convince or persuade those that don't get it but rather to welcome those that do. We're not "right". We observe a sublime beauty in the Earth, our home, and the Universe that surrounds us and we feel compelled to connect with it in a very deliberate way.

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