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Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Reps. Huffman, Raskin, McNerney, & Kildee Launch Congressional Freethought Caucus (Congressman Jared Huffman)

Started by Loren Miller May 7. 0 Replies

Washington, D.C.- Representatives Jared Huffman (D-CA), Jamie Raskin (D-MD), Jerry McNerney (D-CA), and Dan Kildee (D-MI) announced the launch of the Congressional Freethought Caucus to promote sound public policy based on reason, science, and moral…Continue

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James Howard Kunstler: The Coming Economy Of "Less"

Started by Joan Denoo Mar 23. 0 Replies

James Howard Kunstler: The Coming Economy Of "Less"3:40 "I think what is really going on, what's sort of behind the insanity of this, is the very…Continue

Tags: rational, analysis, herd-emotion, mendacity, America

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Comment by Tom Sarbeck on December 16, 2017 at 9:23pm

Ruth, thanks for that take on cynicism.

In political talks in Arizona I was once saying idealists wanted the water situation to be better than it was while realists accepted the water situation as it was.

I needed an antonym for idealists and used cynics.

The first part of your “Cynicism is a way to avoid responsibility....” is close to my saying Arizona’s cynics, who would profit when the water situation worsened, were solving their problem by evading responsibility.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on December 16, 2017 at 4:50pm

Tom, I can speak to cynicism as a form of denial.

"Cynicism has already been shown in its historical development to be a form of denial with the purpose to minimize the importance of the object."

Cynicism is a way to avoid responsibility, and therefore does not serve the purpose of problem solving.

Joan, I saw the news about forbidden words at the CDC. It's right out of 1984. <eye roll> Is that a cynical response, probably. It tries to reduces and shrug off an extremely serious issue. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 16, 2017 at 3:26pm

Peak Prosperity News Update 12-15-2017

By prohibiting the Centers of Disease Control from using the words,  “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “transgender,” “fetus,” “evidence-based” and “science-based” in any official documents prepared for next year’s budget, Trump denies reality, he squanders the ability to communiate facts and figures, while he manipulates with propaganda. 

Trump takes a path exactly the opposite of what the Founding Fathers wanted to create. They left their homelands to create a society beyond feudalism. Sadly, the Founders did not include women, blacks, and Native Americans in their vision for a new nation even as they provided us with living principles upon which to build a more just society. 

Greed, exploitation, and propaganda becomes more concrete as conservative thinking replaces the progressive values. 

Comment by Loren Miller on December 16, 2017 at 12:18pm

Sadly, Bertold, that's not too surprising, coming from the Trump Administration. I hope the Centers for Disease Control challenge this ruling in court, especially considering how vulnerable Trump and his cronies are right now.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on December 16, 2017 at 11:55am

From the Department of WTF--

  • The Trump regime has prohibited the Centers of Disease Control from using the following seven words in any official documents being prepared for next year’s budget: “vulnerable,” “entitlement,” “diversity,” “transgender,” “fetus,” “evidence-based” and “science-based.”
Comment by Joan Denoo on December 16, 2017 at 2:38am

At least $2 billion in stolen wages was recovered for workers in 20...

"The findings come from an EPI survey of state labor departments and attorneys general, and data from the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL), along with a report on private, civil litigation class action settlements. Wage theft can take many forms, including: minimum wage violations, overtime violations, tipped minimum violations, and employee misclassification."

I wonder if anyone held Trump accountable for his wage-thefts? 

Comment by tom sarbeck on December 16, 2017 at 1:20am

Joan, you say neither innocence nor naivity serve a purpose. What is your evidence?
Some of my words or actions elicit innocent or naive responses. If I have any empathy I will not say or do things that elicit more of the same. They therefore do, or can, serve that purpose.


You say idealism and cynicism generate feelings of helplessness. Again, what is your evidence?
In Arizona, my repeated bouts with idealism and cynicism made me aware of my feelings of powerlessness. Those bouts did not cause my feelings of powerlessness.
The cause, when I was a child, was my dad’s physical violence — pain — and my not wanting more such pain silenced me. Silent, I did not produre the results I wanted. Not producing wanted results is the definition of powerlessness.


As for the possibilities you describe, we can probably agree that our reach’s exceeding our grasp is a good thing.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 16, 2017 at 12:13am

How is that for having a vision worthy of my efforts to Inform and Resist?

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 16, 2017 at 12:11am

Tom, neither innocence nor naivety serve a purpose, not do idealism and cynicism. They merely generate feelings of helplessness. On the other hand, the three Ps: Probabilities, Possibilities, and Preferabilities offer a process to analyze a situation. 
Given that I disagree with Trump on just about every policy and practice he has put into place, what is the Probability he will think differently? Zero! Zilch! Nada!
Given that Trump will Probably not think the way I do, what is the Possibility I can imagine a Preferred future? High! Superior! Absolute!
OK! Where to start? Start with me; understand my underlying values.
At the Expo '74 World's Fair with an environmental theme, it revealed the impact of a growing population, fewer working hours to maintain and perpetuate a high living standard for all with more people working fewer hours. Instead of an eight-hour day, they could accomplish the work in four-hours and earn a full day's pay. There would be technical advances to replace human effort; robots would do many tedious tasks, computers would design better and faster than humans.
Workers could accomplish more in fewer hours and have more time for leisure activities. Imagination and creativity would blossom in such conditions. Workers could earn a living wage working fewer hours. The Middle Class could grow in number, imagine more, produce more, create more, and raise the standard of living for all. This new social structure could eliminate poverty.

With the world population is 7.6 billion as of December 2017, there are more workers than are needed to accomplish the same work as in 1974. 

Wages have not gone up since 1975. The stagnation of wages creates a stagnant economy. People do not have money to pay for a middle class living style. The syphoning off of money to the One Percent kills the economy. 

Workers produced much more, but typical workers’ pay lagged far behind. Disconnect between productivity and typical worker’s compensation, 1948–2013Workers produced much more, but typical workers’ pay lagged far behind: Disconnect between productivity and typical worker’s compensation, 1948–2013

Note: Data are for compensation (wages and benefits) of production/nonsupervisory workers in the private sector and net productivity of the total economy. "Net productivity" is the growth of output of goods and services less depreciation per hour worked.

Source: EPI analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics and Bureau of Economic Analysis data

Updated from Figure A in Raising America’s Pay: Why It’s Our Central Economic Policy Challenge

Comment by tom sarbeck on December 15, 2017 at 10:23pm

Joan, my political awakening took place in Arizona when I saw the sociopathy of the state’s political leaders. They knew they were doing wrong and continued doing it.

My idealism didn’t end in minutes. Swinging like a pendulum, it alternated between idealism and cynicism — not the philosophical kind of cynicism — until in time I saw both idealism and cynicism as results of feeling political powerless. That was when I started seeing realism as a result of feeling politically powerful.

In short, Arizona politics ended my innocence, or naivity.

The probability of Trump’s impeachment or removal?

Be active, and patient. The end times are not yet here.

 
 
 

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