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Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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The French method of resistance

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Comment by Donald L. Engel on December 4, 2018 at 10:59pm

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Society sets the moral code. The PEW survey illustrates that by far the great majority of society is happy with the Roe v. Wade decision, and yet the religious right wants to control society, and overturn that decision. President Trump picked Neil Gorsuch for the sole purpose of overturning Roe v Wade. He stated that was his purpose for picking him.
At the beginning of this paper I stated that I felt a moral act is that act which does the most good, or the least amount of harm. I want to point out the cost of raising a child in foster care using Washington state, and Texas as examples:
WASHINGTON TEXAS
AGE $$/MONTH $$/YEAR AGE $$/MONTH $$/YEAR
0-5 $562 $33,720 0-5 $748 $44,880
6-11 $683 $49,176 6-12 $852 $71,568
12-20 $703 $59,052 13-20 $961 $92,256
Total per child $141,948 $208,704

If we outlaw abortions again, the crime rate will go back up, and we’ll be spending more on foster care. And that means we’ll be spending more on children who are not wanted instead of putting that money toward health and education for children who are wanted. (I want to emphasize that all children in the foster care program are not there because they are not wanted. Most are there because a problem of some sort developed in their home family.)
Moral codes change over time with new information. Churches are closing down by the thousands, and the percentage of Atheists in America is growing. Maybe it’s because the church has stopped following society’s changing moral code. Maybe that is why the Catholic church has reduced the seriousness of abortion.

Comment by Loren Miller on December 4, 2018 at 7:30pm

Don, you could post it as a series of blog entries, or as a single blog.  I THINK the size limit on blogs is 50,000 bytes, but I'm not certain.  Making it episodic might also make it easier to digest.

P.S.: GOOD seeing you again!

Comment by Donald L. Engel on December 4, 2018 at 6:26pm

I've written an 11-page paper on abortion.  How can I post something that big on Atheist Nexus?  Or is it not possible?

Comment by Joseph P on December 4, 2018 at 6:23pm

Oh, and as for the citizens deciding that war didn't need a formal declaration anymore ...

It was a very short drop-off, in two steps.  World War II was a war.  Korea was just a police action.  By the time we got to Vietnam, we had a freaking mandatory draft, without the requirement of ... any kind of declaration at all, really.

If I had been around and of age, back then, I absolutely would have dodged the draft.  Well, that isn't entirely accurate, since I would have been 4-F, on psychological grounds.  But if I wouldn't have been 4-F ...

Since Vietnam, the government hasn't felt the need to even bother with a reason for not declaring what was absolutely a war.  Everyone just accepts it.  Get away with it once, and it rapidly becomes the status quo.

@Cat

It's a hell of a lot more than just in the military, in which we've had a problem with the capture of government expenditure through lobbied contracting.  Ever since Reagan, we've had a problem in all sorts of industries.

The most heinous one I can think of is the prison system.  There are so many governmental functions that should absolutely not be exposed to market forces.

The conservatives have pushed the bullshit line about the private sector being able to do a better job more efficiently.  Sure, the bottom line will be lower costs, but the trade-off is inferior service from underpaid employees, in exchange for profits paid to the shareholders.  Oversight has also proven to be a huge problem.

I've had quite a bit of experience with companies contracting out certain departments in order to save money.  It's always been a disaster.

I did third-tier tech-support for a company that outsourced its first-tier support.  First tier was outsourced to a company in Costa Rica.  Half of the support tickets came through as complete gibberish, meaning that we had to call up the users and start at square one.  The tier-one people couldn't have been fully fluent in English.
They also wen't even technically competent.  We had many instances of them breaking the users' computers even worse than they were when the users submitted a ticket.

Comment by Joseph P on December 4, 2018 at 5:45pm

Somewhat busy with the monkey, yeah.  I've also just somewhat wandered off from most computer activity, except for utilitarian use of the net (news, shopping, research, e-mail, etc), in an attempt to focus on some writing.

I didn't mean to drop completely off of social media, but I kind of tuned out of that a bit, too.  I occasionally skim the notices that come through my inbox, though.

This one caught my notice in particular, since the pickiness about 45 committing treason is one of the things that bugs me, as I described in my last comment.  In the meaningful sense, Donald Trump has absolutely committed treason.

Also, if you refer to your own infant/toddler as a monkey, watch yourself when talking about your African/American neighbor's kid.  I haven't actually let it slip out, but I've come close.

Comment by Grinning Cat on December 3, 2018 at 3:13pm

How much money have those undeclared wars made for arms manufacturers and other big Republican donors?

On another political topic... 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 1, 2018 at 6:42pm

Joseph, It is great to see your post! We haven't heard from you in ages. I suppose you are busy with the little one!

Since when did the citizens decide we don't "issue formal declarations of war, anymore"? When did we lose our republic? How much money has the Korean War,  Vietnam War,  Iraq War I and II, and our war in Afghanistan cost the U.S. taxpayer? 

Jeez!

Comment by Joseph P on December 1, 2018 at 7:38am

The only useful usage of "treason" is the colloquial sense, nowadays.  We don't really issue formal declarations of war, anymore.

Russia is a hostile power, by any meaningful standard. So, colluding/conspiring with them to commit crimes against the US is as close to treason as it's really possible to come.

The last time the US declared war was during WWII.  The Korean War?  Vietnam?  Iraq War I and II?  Our war in Afghanistan?

Not officially wars.  You can't be tried for treason, if you assist our enemies in Iraq or Afghanistan.  You would have to be tried for different, non-capital crimes.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 1, 2018 at 3:15am

Tom, you quite correctly challenge my use of the word, "treason!" The correct word is "sociopath!" Are we to stand quietly by as a president who has an antisocial personality disorder and who does not know how to lead? Or obey one who can't understand others' feelings? He is a man who breaks rules and makes impulsive decisions without feeling guilty for the harm he causes? He lies, cheats, steals, manipulates and exploits others for his own benefit. He doesn't care about you and me or the citizens of the U.S. or the living things on Earth. He supports the killing of innocent people and the destruction of their infrastructure. 

And that wimp of a wife is a disgrace to the women of the world. 

Comment by Loren Miller on November 29, 2018 at 7:47am

Right at this moment, I am far less worried about the pope than I am the evangelical congresspeople who seem to be determined to legislate their religious hallucinations into law.  I have a blog in the wings which will spell that out in a couple days.

 
 
 

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