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Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Global Tax on Fossil Fuel Needed

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bergen Woods Dec 10. 1 Reply

Ralph Regenvanu and Avinash Persaud make perfect sense, arguing that current climate risk insurance policy practices are immoral.It's time for those who caused…Continue

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The French method of resistance

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Nov 25. 3 Replies


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Comment by Chris on December 8, 2018 at 12:47am

@ Donald ,

I dug around and didn't see a group through the 50 some  available specific to birth control, or 'family planning.'

I don't know much about how Ning works - or Atheist Nexus impirticular.

I want to read more about  your  thoughts about the subject.

Perhaps start a discussion instead of a new group.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on December 7, 2018 at 11:41pm

@Chris.  The whole thing is written on page 3,4, and 5 of this blog.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 7, 2018 at 9:44pm

@Chris, I agree, "they aren't invading the U.S.A. they are escaping the terrible economic and political intervention the U.S. imposed on their home country."

The terrible policies and practices imposed on those countries leave few options for the working poor, farmers, and those who cannot compete with U.S. markets. Of course, they leave their homelands and try to work in a place where they can make livings for their families. I am sure those who come to the U.S. border would rather make livings in their homelands. This is also true of the refugees around the world. If political barriers appear in their cultures that limit their financial means of production, they will leave and go where there is hope for a better life. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 7, 2018 at 9:28pm

Donald, I very much like the long article, especially if it involves substantive material, i.e.politics, economics, abortion, and other subjects that can't be addressed in 400 words or less. I don't like them when they have to be posted on sites such as Groups; I far prefer the essay that is in one piece. A Blog is one fine option. Be sure to let us know that you have a longer piece and where you post it. I would hate to miss an article simply because I don't know it exists. 

Comment by Chris on December 7, 2018 at 9:07pm

@ Donald

From you : I've written an 11-page paper on abortion. How can I post something that big on Atheist Nexus? Or is it not possible?

Perhaps start a blog.

Comment by Grinning Cat on December 6, 2018 at 1:06pm

"First past the post" or plurality voting is, indeed, fundamentally flawed. It has us choose just one candidate in a race, and we're not allowed to indicate anything on the ballot about how good or bad the others are. Ranked choice voting is better. Even better, though, is range voting (or "score voting"), where, as in Olympic scoring or online ratings, you give a score to each candidate, say 0-9 or 1-10. Highest average wins.

This will work on current voting machines, as well as paper ballots.

(If blank or "no opinion" votes aren't included in the averages, a "soft quorum" can protect against an "unknown lunatic" winning with a few 10s amid millions of "no opinion" votes: each candidate gets a predetermined number of fake votes, say 10,000 zeros, included in their average. The fake votes would have no effect on the results if every voter gives a score to every candidate; they only matter when some candidates get fewer votes.)

Much more: https://rangevoting.org/

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 6:04am

@ Joseph indeed gerrymangeing is a in problem in many areas.   Here's a link to Congressional Dristricts of the 115th congress of the U.S.  January 2017-2019.


 I found the link to the PDF easer of enlarge and move around in.

Following is an interactive map of the 2018 house election.


Indeed most areas outside of any major city is Republican.  I don't think Republicans represent people in rural communities. Of course I don't think Democrats do either.  

I think the way we vote is fundamentally flawed  with what's typically called First Past Post. I like the idea of Ranked Choice Voting. https://www.fairvote.org/rcv#where_is_ranked_choice_voting_used

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 5:40am

@ Joan

I had trouble following the biginning of the story presented. 

The crime of the Catholic church is the teaching that it's a sin to be human.

If you heaven't read see the Human Vitae, Encyclic letter of His Holiness Paul VI on the regulat...

Did I post the history of abortion here previously? Maybe it was in another thread.

The following may be of interest to some.

Birth Control Before the Pill

Since ancient times, women all over the world have used a variety of methods for contraception. Prior to the introduction of the Pill, however, choices were limited and existing methods were less than perfect.

The Oldest Methods
Some methods still used today have their roots in antiquity. The withdrawal method was recorded in the Bible's book of Genesis. Around 1850 B.C. Egyptian women mixed acacia leaves with honey or used animal dung to make vaginal suppositories to prevent pregnancy. The Greeks in the 4th century B.C. used natural ointments made with olive and cedar oil as spermicides. A popular Roman writer advocated abstinence. "Womb veils," a 19th-century phrase for diaphragms cervical caps, and condoms, often made from linen or fish intestines, have been in use for centuries. In the 1700s, the famous seducer Giacomo Casanova told of using half a lemon rind as a cervical cap.

Female Preparations
In pre-industrial America, women used homemade herbal douches to prevent pregnancy. If a pregnancy was discovered, there were elixirs women could take to induce a miscarriage. Common ingredients in these "female preparations" were the herbs savin and pennyroyal.

The Rubber Revolution
The biggest breakthrough in contraception in the nineteenth century was not a new method, but a technological improvement of existing methods. In 1839, Charles Goodyear revolutionized the rubber industry when he made vulcanized rubber. He mass produced rubber condoms, intrauterine devices, douching syringes and diaphragms. Despite federal and state anti-birth control laws, "rubbers" were enormously popular and sales were brisk.

Most Effective Device
Although the diaphragm used with a spermicide was the most effective device available, it was never as popular as the condom. Women needed to see a doctor to get one, and that was expensive and embarrassing for many. Some were also uncomfortable with the physical intimacy necessary to insert the contraceptive.

Inexpensive Methods
During the depression, women desperate for inexpensive methods to prevent pregnancy often relied on over-the-counter contraceptive products such as vaginal jellies, liquids, suppositories, foaming tablets and antiseptic douching solutions known as "feminine hygiene." These items could be sold openly because they were advertised as hygiene products, not contraceptives. Most didn't work well, but were harmless. In the case of the disinfectant douche, however, women were susceptible to serious burns or even death if they didn't dilute the poisonous substances sufficiently before use.

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 1:07am

@ Donald

I'm not missing the point - I'm expanding it.

The morral dellema is often put on an individual when the fault lies in  engeneering or other systemic problems. 


I was driving down this mellow residential neighorbood  a block from my house  where ther was a T+intersection. I mean it was a cross street with a short lenth beyond the intersection.  I typically drive slow - expecially in my neighborhood because ther are deer and other wildlift.   As I went through the intersection which I had control of an elderly woman  I think either accidently, or intentionally in some sort of race floored the gas pedal rather than touch the brakes to allw me  full access in attempt to race through the intersection so she could go another two houses to the dead end of the street she was transgressing.  Fortunately  I saw her speed up from about  two houses away and punched the gas pedal of my car.  She didn't entirely T-Bone me on the drivers door.  She hit the drivers side passenger door and tore up the passenger door and quarter pane of my car while almost ripping off the bumper of her car.  That spun me around about fourty degrees.   Everyone who was home at the time in a block radious came out to see what happened.    She obviously was at fault. My insurance totaled my car and covered it.  I don't know what happened to her.  She at the time probably shouldnt have been driving.  She was quite old, maybe based on what I think was her inability to distinguish speeding up and slowing down  - which pedal was which.   I don't know what happened to her insurance rates.

After that three teenage girls were riding their bicycles don a hill through an intersection  near me - One of them yelled "I hope no cars are commingg" as they went down the hill and through the intersection at full speed.

I contacted the city, which fortunately was already doing some road work in the area and with almost no convincing they put stop signgs  near my house where the girls rode their bikes down the hill and the next block up where I  was almost T-boned.

I and others drive slower through the neighborhood now.   More people feel safe walking, running,  bicycling, or running with their dogs.

I was driving another way about 5 MPh around a hil with a sharp curve when a vulture suddently launched into the air. I slammed on the brakes. The giant bird walked across the windshild before launching itself off the roof of my car.

I suggest, mitigating harm has to begin with proper engeneering and safety proceedurs.   No one should be put in a predicament where there aren't enough life boats, or a switch, or indicator on a trolly track forces people to make the 'moral delemma' described.

@Chris.  By worrying about the number of life boats, and trolley precautions, you are missing the point of the "moral dilemma".  
What I was trying to point out is that the moral thing to do is the act that does the least amount of harm.

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 12:35am

@Joan and others.

People from Mexico and Central America are invading the country.

Trump and all  of his supporters who don't know history. Think NAFTA, Iran Contra, among other things.

I say they aren't invading the U.S.A. they are escaping the terrible economic and political intervention the U.S. impiosed on their home country.  


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