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Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Read the President*'s (and others') deleted tweets

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In another instance of "the internet is forever", ProPublica has been hosting the Politwoops project that tracks politicians' deleted tweets,…Continue

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Children, gathered from parents have deplorable conditions.

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The Investigation - A Search for the Truth in Ten Acts

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jun 26. 1 Reply

Haven't read the Mueller report yet? Yeah, me either, though I did download the PDF and glanced at the first couple pages. Stuff like that winds up being rather dry and impersonal in that format. However, put it on a stage with actors, inter-cut…Continue

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Comment by Cane Kostovski on Monday

Donald, unsavory jobs will be mostly done by robots. Even if the robots need people to guide them, the people can be in air conditioned cars/campers. You forgot to mention sanitation workers who smell sewage all day. As a group of mechanical engineers teamed with computer programmers and other needed members that care about the plight of the sanitation workers would work hard not for money, but to make relieve the sanitation worker from the worst of his/her job. Also, you seem to NOT be aware of the scientific study that was done to prove that a raise in pay equaled a raise in productivity. It was NOT money that raised productivity, but a satisfaction of a job well done. I hear you and feel you may be right, but hope beyond all hope that you are not 100% right.

About communism, the communists used money as an incentive and science proved that doesn't work. In RBE, there is NO money to be had. It doesn't work that way. Look at the opensource software developers. They do most of their work for free or very little money. They do it for the satisfaction of doing a job well done. And guess what, they number in the millions. And that is just software.

To paraphrase you: Donald, you are only thinking of the hard, smelly jobs.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on Monday

Cane,  You're only thinking of nice, easy, jobs in a comfortable setting.  I was in town yesterday, and they were working in the hot sun paving the road after they dug it up for the gas line.  Further down the road they were tearing up the road to add to the gas line.  They were not comfortable by any stretch of the imagination,  Do you think they would have been there working in the hot sun if they could have gone down to the distribution center for some free food and a cold beer?  There are a lot of jobs that people work at that the only reason they're doing that work is because it pays more than the average job.  If people can get free food, they will not work at those jobs.  I cannot tell you what literature I read, but one article mentioned about the East European countries that got out from under the yoke of communism.  One of the people that was quoted said that the economy was sluggish because they got paid no matter how hard they worked, so they didn't work that hard, and nothing got done.

Comment by Cane Kostovski on Monday

Donald and Joan. The OLD generation may have 10% who cannot or will not work, but there will be 90% willing to work for free but at a job they can handle. That leaves the younger generation 95% of whom will do what is necessary but at jobs they prefer so that they get satisfaction from what they produce. I feel that it is doable with today's technology. Most people will get bored just sitting at home when they could feel fulfillment doing their part. 

Donald, Why such a negative view? Are MOST people you know that lazy? Or are they that tormented by the capitalistic system that anything new is just bullshit? I think that my estimates are conservative, but you feel NOBODY would produce. Why is that?

Comment by Joan Denoo on Sunday

Imagine you are on an island with 100 people. 10% are too young, too old, or too infirm to produce. That leaves 90% to have babies, take care of those unable to produce. Of that 90%, imagine 45% work to grow the food, build the homes and building, conduct the businesses necessary in modern commerce, and the services of medical care, the legal profession, schools, and whatever else the community needs. Suppose of that 45 % are able to work to produce, 5% are not willing to work. That group wants to play games, gamble, watch TV, drive fancy and fast cars and boats and produces nothing but waste products that pollute the air, soils, and water. 

Are those who work to produce goods and services others can use in modern life meant to accept those who are able and not willing to work? What obligation does the producer have to provide the needs of the playboy/girl?

Comment by Donald L. Engel on Sunday

It wouldn't work, Cane.  Under this system no one would work to produce anything.  If I can just walk down to the distribution center and get what I want, why not stay hone and watch movies on TV until I need something?  When I do, I'll just walk down after the movie and get what I want.  Where is the incentive to produce?

Comment by Cane Kostovski on Saturday

Joan, you're thinking about RBE incorrectly. There will NOT be any payment, any charge, any commerce. Just AIs directing supply to where the demand is. Most cities will have skyscrapers utilized as hydroponic farms, so most of the food will be grown locally. If you want a banana, you just go to the distribution station and get as many as you want. The banana grower did it as a volunteer and if he needs ANYTHING, he goes to his distribution station and takes what he needs. EVERYONE will get what they need and some if not all of what they want.

Communists still used capitalism in the form of money. RBE does away with money, so the idea of theft is mute under RBE. RBE is a form of socialism but that is its power to overcome capitalism and ALL of capitalism's shortcomings. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on Saturday

Cane, I think you understand the benefits of RBE even as you may not be aware of the risks in the failures of the system. Even in RBE, exploiters and manipulators can torpedo the intent of the idea. There are several outstanding examples of successful  RBEs, but it requires that the members pay attention to the management. Members can't sit back and let others take charge. 

To end poverty, hunger, debt, and human suffering requires a free-flow of accurate information, and members paying attention to the management. Prevention of theft is only one of the problems.  

The system is the same as "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs," a slogan popularised by Karl Marx in 1875. The principle refers to free access to and distribution of goods, capital, and services.

What if I want to eat bananas? Who pays for the shipping? Does a shipper expect to recover the costs of transport and how will that transaction take place? 

RBE offers a naive way of perceiving commerce. 

Indeed, the Communists did not find a way to make it work, and they created a vast inequality in the trying. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on Saturday

The U.S. continues to suffer from rising income inequality and chronically slow growth in the living standards of low- and moderate-income citizens. The bitter living-standards stagnation, caused by rising income inequality, does not change during Trump's administration. 

Javier Zarracina/Vox

Comment by Cane Kostovski on July 9, 2019 at 6:31pm

Thanks for the quick education. I wish I understood RBE as well as you understand Dutch Disease. RBE is THE ultimate cooperation economy. People would volunteer to continue working at the job of their choosing (even if it means a change of job) for free for far fewer hours than in the equivalent capitalistic job today. All people would volunteer their skill and time for the greater good of the world because RBE has to be a global thing to work properly. Of course there are the ones who can't work, or will not work no matter the urgency, but they are far fewer than what would put a strain on the rest. Most (if not all) will be in a job that they enjoy. The jobs NOBODY would enjoy would be done by robots. Technology will advance with the health and happiness of the people in a sustainable way as the driving force. It is as close to utopia as humanity can viably get.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 9, 2019 at 3:29pm

Cane, my sense of RBE is a reliance on cooperation, not competition, the exact opposite of corporations. In

the study of social societies, those families, businesses, and nations who foster cooperation have a higher standard of living than those who foster competition. Less money, energy, time, and lives become squandered in a competition if the members have skills in communication, problem-solving, and conflict resolution.  

"The European Union is founded on the indivisible, universal values of human dignity, freedom, equality and solidarity; it is based on the principles of democracy and the rule of law. It places the individual at the heart of its activities, by establishing the citizenship of the Union and by creating an area of freedom, security and justice."

CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION 

Sadly, the Union has its flaws, and the USA doesn’t have a trade agreement with the EU. One of the many reasons for the EU is to provide processes to resolve conflicts. "Might makes right," was the claim of our ancestors. 

My grandfather left Belgium in the early 1900s because the young men were fodder for wars to protect wealth. Lives, used as fodder for victory, lie buried across the Eurasian continent. 

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In a competitive society, a win/lose society, wealth tends to gravitate to those who do not know and understand cooperation skills and they tend to master competitive ones. 

Dutch disease exhibits the following two chief economic effects:

1. It decreases the price competitiveness of exports of the affected country's manufactured goods, 
2. It increases imports.

A successful RBE depends on the leadership style of the group.

 
 
 

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