Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

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Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 14. 2 Replies

The word “Permaculture” is the combination of the two words “permanent” and “agriculture.” It is a method of agricultural philosophy that allows gardeners to create and sustain growing food in a way…Continue

Tags: production, shelter, food, permaculture, Mollison

On Emotion, Vulnerability, and a Flawed God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Sep 10. 5 Replies

On 31 May, 2018, Joan Denoo posted a most excellent quote from David Hume: That quote was well deserving of a response, which is the following:The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever…Continue

Tags: flawed, vulnerable, emotion, god

Will McAvoy's Rant: "America Is NOT the World's Greatest Country"

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 25. 3 Replies

Aaron Sorkin has a habit of swinging for the fences when he writes political commentary as entertainment for television.  This was first evinced in the network television series, The West Wing, and…Continue

Tags: The Newsroom, Will McAvoy, Aaron Sorkin

Ingersoll Day August 11th

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Aug 12. 2 Replies

Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899)"When I became convinced that the universe is natural, that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood…Continue

Tags: fearless, joyous, freedom, Day, agnostic

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Comment by tom sarbeck on October 23, 2017 at 3:43am
Joan, do you believe the Nature’s Way piece?

I don’t. Nature does what Nature does. Two recent instances: Harvey in Texas and Irma in Puerto Rico.
What had P M Dunn been drinking?
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 23, 2017 at 3:19am

Loren, a great piece by Dan Rather. Thanks for calling it to my attention. I reposted it on Facebook with thanks to you. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 23, 2017 at 2:38am

“In all things of nature there is something of the marvellous”, “Nature does nothing uselessly”, “If one way be better than another, that you may be sure is nature's way.”

~ P M Dunn

Aristotle (384–322 bc): philosopher and scientist of ancient Greece

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2672651/

It is interesting to see how many farmers, gardeners, and homesteaders return to more natural ways of growing things. There are not the big single species crops but more Food Forests. Much more care of feeding soil through natural processes of animals used to forage and in the process, stir up the soil. Manure and compost from green manure and activated charcoal with "mycorrhizae (myco = fungus, rhizae = roots).  These are primitive associations, thought to have arisen hundreds of millions of years ago when vascular plants emerged on land. Originally, mycorrhizal relationships were thought to be unusual oddities; we now know that they are the rule, rather than the exception, especially in woody plants."

~  Dr. Linda Chalker-Scott, WSU Science Editor

https://s3.wp.wsu.edu/uploads/sites/403/2015/03/mycorrhizae.pdf

Rather than plowing after each harvest, leave crop residues in the soil keeping it covered with plant material at all times. To plant the next crop, cut a thin shallow groove into the surface of the ground, drop in seeds, and cover them. Less soil erosion occurs, organic material accumulates, and the soil soaks up more water.  This encourages better plant growth, saves fuel, time, effort, and wear and tear on the equipment.

Chapter 9

Comment by Loren Miller on October 22, 2017 at 2:44pm

Just for fun, I Googled the Dan Rather quote Ruth put up, and I found the following on Facebook:

I have come to expect that Donald Trump will attack the press. We know why he does so, because the threat of exposed truth, of investigative reporting, is a direct threat to the Trump presidency and his legitimacy.

I worry about bringing attention to all of Mr. Trump's tweets. I worry about allowing him to deflect and try to bend a news cycle to his will. But what he said today needs to be called out. It can't fall into the background noise of Washington. It can't be allowed to be normalized.

"Why Isn't the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!"

Let us be clear. The Senate Intelligence Committee is investigating an attack on our democracy, which is an attack on all of us, by a hostile foreign power. What the Russians did is something that every patriotic American should care deeply about, regardless of party.

This is not fake news. This is a real national security crisis. And by his words, the President is suggesting that reporters at places like the New York Times, the Washington Post, and CNN are damaging our country more than Russian intelligence agents.

We can guess why he doesn't want to consider the seriousness of the Russian attack. But that is a failure of his duties as Commander in Chief. And to attack the press for doing its job is to undermine his oath to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

What gives me hope is my years in newsrooms. Reporters will not be intimidated by these threats. They will only resolve to dig deeper and harder.
-- Dan Rather

Comment by Loren Miller on October 22, 2017 at 12:08pm
And indeed to Trump, himself, Ruth. Good stuff!!!
Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on October 22, 2017 at 12:06pm

via Equality PAC

Comment by Loren Miller on October 22, 2017 at 12:05pm
Wow, Ruth! Andy just said a mouthful there!
Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on October 22, 2017 at 11:41am
The Republicans have gone from Abraham Lincoln to Sarah Palin to Donald Trump. No wonder they don't believe in evolution.

Andy Borowitz Ethical Culture talk

Comment by Loren Miller on October 22, 2017 at 5:30am

Isn't it about time we allowed the real expert on religion to hold forth on these pages?  Mr. Carlin, the floor is yours!

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 22, 2017 at 3:27am

Loren, you wrote, "personal knowledge" only has utility to the extent that it is applicable outside of one's own self.  Wasn't it David Hume who said that to everyone else, a personal revelation is hearsay?
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Read the tragic story The Doctor Who Championed Hand-Washing And Briefly Saved Lives

Also read Oliver Wendell Holmes (1809–1894) and Ignaz Philipp Semmelweis (181...

You will quickly realize how two men, working at different times and in different places, noticed an unusual incidence of women dying in hospitals, treated by doctors. Dr. Oliver Wendell Holmes saw that there were far fewer deaths of women after childbirth when managed by midwives. Both men noticed, in different places and at different times, doctors often returned from autopsies of women who died in childbirth. Semmelweis and Holmes thought about what they each, individually, witnessed and formed notions of what could be causing the deaths. Dr. Semmelweis theorized that midwives had women lay on their sides and doctors had women lay on their backs. He instructed the doctors to have their women lay on their sides; he found the position of the delivery did not improve the mortality numbers. He also theorized a priest coming to ring bells at the birth of a baby caused the deaths and he stopped the priest. The deaths continued.

Poor Dr. Semmelweis went goofy, he knew the answer and no one listened. He was declared insane and died as a result of a beating in an insane asylum. 

Dr. Holmes's literary and poetic works grew in importance. "Even his own profession came to value him more as a professor and poet than as a fearless and outspoken defender of the life and health of childbearing women."

"Thanks to the work of Holmes and Semmelweis, the gradual acceptance of sterile procedures, and to a variety of other factors such as improved environmental conditions, better overall obstetrical care, and the availability of antibiotics, the puerperal fever has become rare in developed countries. In time, with sufficient organization, political will, and dedication, maternal mortality will be very rare in all parts of the world." 

I understand your point, Loren.

"The reason hearsay is not generally permissible in a court of law is because it is not helpful in finding the truth, and may even impede the search for truth."

"...all of the foundational stories of Christianity are hearsay and that all religious claims should be subjected to the test of evidence since failure to recognize hearsay can be dangerous to your common sense."

"The author of John (and most biblical scholars claim it was not the John who appears in the bible) admits that he is writing to convince others, that he has a specific agenda, that he is biased. Since John offers no claims that can be actually verified, how is his testimony any different from John Doe’s hearsay testimony in the case of John Smith? How is it any different from a “They say . . .” type claim?"

~WizenedSage (Galen Rose)

The examples I offer about two doctors coming to conclusions about doctors causing the deaths of women in childbirth has nothing to do with hearsay. These men observed, reported what they found, and were discounted, put down, trivialized, demonized because of their reports, their observations, their testing. 

 

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