Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

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Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 14. 2 Replies

The word “Permaculture” is the combination of the two words “permanent” and “agriculture.” It is a method of agricultural philosophy that allows gardeners to create and sustain growing food in a way…Continue

Tags: production, shelter, food, permaculture, Mollison

On Emotion, Vulnerability, and a Flawed God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Sep 10. 5 Replies

On 31 May, 2018, Joan Denoo posted a most excellent quote from David Hume: That quote was well deserving of a response, which is the following:The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever…Continue

Tags: flawed, vulnerable, emotion, god

Will McAvoy's Rant: "America Is NOT the World's Greatest Country"

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 25. 3 Replies

Aaron Sorkin has a habit of swinging for the fences when he writes political commentary as entertainment for television.  This was first evinced in the network television series, The West Wing, and…Continue

Tags: The Newsroom, Will McAvoy, Aaron Sorkin

Ingersoll Day August 11th

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Aug 12. 2 Replies

Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899)"When I became convinced that the universe is natural, that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood…Continue

Tags: fearless, joyous, freedom, Day, agnostic

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Comment by Joan Denoo on May 14, 2018 at 3:45pm

I join Loren and Patricia in agreeing with Seth Andrews.

From where does one get his and her moral core?

It is a fair question. Those who claim religion or sacred texts fail to explain the subjugation of women and believe that it is moral to own a human being? 

I like Sam Haris' version, 

“Meaning, values, morality, and the good life must relate to facts about the well-being of conscious creatures—and, in our case, must lawfully depend upon events in the world and upon states of the human brain. Rational, open-ended, honest inquiry has always been the true source of insight into such processes. Faith, if it is ever right about anything, is right by accident.”
Sam Harris, The Moral Landscape: How Science Can Determine Human Values

(Emphasis mine)

Is the well-being of a person or sentient being experiencing the meaning, values, morality, of the good life?

Ancient Homo sapiens may have owned slaves; the people of the Old Testament owned slaves. How did it become unacceptable for one human to own another?

Well-being!  Is the person experiencing well-being? 

Tradition is not adequate. Attitudes, beliefs,  and customs are not sufficient to explain the rejection of slavery. One must step outside those common ways of deciding an issue,  look to a larger picture, and ask the tough questions. 

Is it moral to deny women, Blacks, and natives the vote when they live under the laws and pay taxes?

Is it moral to take land from native people without their consent?

Is it moral to pollute the air, water, and soils of those who live in the vicinity without their knowledge and consent?

Is it moral for the media to publish lies as news? 

Comment by Patricia on May 14, 2018 at 1:33pm

Nicely put.

Comment by Loren Miller on May 14, 2018 at 6:57am

Life is a precious, brief, fragile, amazing thing. Instead of being so fixated on living after death, I want to truly live before it. And be thankful against incredible odds, I was able to witness this part of the universe with my own eyes, first hand.
-- Seth Andrews

Right with you, Seth, all the way.

Comment by Patricia on May 13, 2018 at 1:06pm

Lots of churches here, but I don't notice much attendance.

Comment by Plinius on May 13, 2018 at 1:02pm

Great, Loren and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for success!

Comment by Loren Miller on May 13, 2018 at 9:37am

Moving could be a temptation, but I'm going to stick it out here and continue to kick ass and take names with the FFRF.  We can still make it work here, though it'll take a LOT of effort.  I think it's worth it.

Comment by Plinius on May 13, 2018 at 9:26am

There are easy ways, Spud, like finding a partner abroad.

One U.S.A. man I know hooked up with a Dutch gay, moved, married, came out as transgender and is in transition now. All legal, all expenses paid by Dutch medical insurance, all ok, but that she doesn't even bother to find a job makes me sigh a little.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 13, 2018 at 6:04am

Would love to have the means to move to one of those countries.

Comment by Loren Miller on May 13, 2018 at 5:56am

Countries with a high percentage of nonbelievers are among the freest, most stable, best-educated, and healthiest nations on earth. When nations are ranked according to a human-development index, which measures such factors as life expectancy, literacy rates, and educational attainment, the five highest-ranked countries -- Norway, Sweden, Australia, Canada, and the Netherlands -- all have high degrees of non-belief. Of the fifty countries at the bottom of the index, all are intensely religious. The nations with the highest homicide rates tend to be more religious; those with the greatest levels of gender equality are the least religious. These associations say nothing about whether atheism leads to positive social indicators or the other way around. But the idea that atheists are somehow less moral, honest, or trustworthy have been disproven by study after study.
-- Greg Graffin

Correlation may not equate to causation, but it sure suggests SOMETHING. Sadly, I can just hear the Trump-ettes accuse Graffin of spounting fake news ... just before he pulls out hard citations!

Comment by Loren Miller on May 12, 2018 at 7:37am

To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.
-- Isaac Asimov

The problem, sadly, is that such surrender is also the easy path, taken by some believers because learning how things actually work is too hard or too bothersome.

 

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