Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

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Ingersoll Day August 11th

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius on Sunday. 2 Replies

Robert Green Ingersoll (1833-1899)"When I became convinced that the universe is natural, that all the ghosts and gods are myths, there entered into my brain, into my soul, into every drop of my blood…Continue

Tags: fearless, joyous, freedom, Day, agnostic

On Emotion, Vulnerability, and a Flawed God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Jul 2. 3 Replies

On 31 May, 2018, Joan Denoo posted a most excellent quote from David Hume: That quote was well deserving of a response, which is the following:The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever…Continue

Tags: flawed, vulnerable, emotion, god

Sam Harris on Morality and the Christian God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller May 24. 2 Replies

The debate between Sam Harris and William Lane Craig at Notre Dame in 2011 was particularly notable for one particular rebuttal by Harris to Craig, well into the debate.  Those 10 or so minutes…Continue

Big Bang vs Electric Universe, Lawrence Krauss' response

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Loren Miller May 23. 2 Replies

I wrote to Lawrence Krauss during the discussion of Big Bang vs Electric Universe:"Thurs, 5:54 PM, Lawrence, I belong to Atheist Nexus and a rather ugly debate began about the Big Bang Theory. One…Continue

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Comment by Loren Miller on July 20, 2018 at 4:38pm

The question is begged with that, Joan:

Constructive For WHOM???

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 20, 2018 at 2:52pm

Bertold, there is a strange philosophy in religion, at least in the congregations to which I belonged. 

◄ 1 Corinthians 10:23 ►
New International Version
"'I have the right to do anything,' you say--but not everything is beneficial. "' have the right to do anything' - but not everything is constructive.'"

This gives the believer the right to lie, cheat, dominate, own slaves, win at all costs UNLESS IT IS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE. This qualifier phrase can be used to justify any thought or action. 

Comment by Loren Miller on July 20, 2018 at 1:58pm

Entirely too likely, Bertold, entirely TOO likely.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 20, 2018 at 1:21pm

Comment by Loren Miller on July 20, 2018 at 6:09am

I have always considered "Pascal's Wager" a questionable bet to place, since any God worth believing in would prefer an honest agnostic to a calculating hypocrite.
― Alan M. Dershowitz

That's presuming the god in question hasn't become fetishistic about his own rules, and sadly, Yahweh fits that description.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 20, 2018 at 1:38am

I perceive belief as a powerful force that fuels behavior. Why do some people climb the highest mountain or dive into the deepest ocean? Or why do some individuals train to be doctors, carpenters, or nurses? Or those who commit those horrid crimes, i.e. kidnap the Lindbergh baby, or assassinate John Kennedy or fly planes into buildings; or those who reach for the stars; or those who write books, or sing, or dance? What about those who use violence in their homes and those who do not? There are those who replicate the values of their families and society and those who reject the values of the status quo.

ABCTV=Attitudes>Behaviors>Customs>Traditions>Values. 

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 20, 2018 at 12:20am

I've heard that those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it--but I would say, far worse, that they might begin to think it doesn't matter. At which point some version of a hive life is all but inevitable.

~Sven Birkerts

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 19, 2018 at 6:12pm

I never said all beliefs get acted on, or that everyone who holds a belief . . . actively exercises that belief in his or her environment. In any case that has nothing to do with the fact that enough ignorant beliefs sure as hell get acted on to royally fuck things up.

Comment by Loren Miller on July 19, 2018 at 4:09pm

Okay, Bertold, then ask yourself this: do all beliefs get acted on?  I'm not convinced that all beliefs spawn action.  Just because I believe I'd like a beer right now doesn't mean I'm going to go and get one.  I might wait until later ... or I might not at all.

Matt Dillahunty has stated in the past that "beliefs inform our actions," and they do, plus or minus.  Obviously, religious belief has given rise to all sorts of actions, too many of them untoward.  I'm just not convinced that everyone who holds a belief, religious or otherwise, actively exercises that belief in his or her environment.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 19, 2018 at 3:56pm

You said yourself that "belief is the basis upon which those actions are based." What that means is, the beliefs are causing the actions, and that powerful and scary to me. 

 

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