Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

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Truth

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Feb 11. 14 Replies

"APHORISM XXV. He who begins by loving Christianity better than Truth, will proceed by loving his own sect or Church better than Christianity, and end loving himself better than all."~…Continue

Tags: Truth

Ideas

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 14, 2018. 2 Replies

The word “Permaculture” is the combination of the two words “permanent” and “agriculture.” It is a method of agricultural philosophy that allows gardeners to create and sustain growing food in a way…Continue

Tags: production, shelter, food, permaculture, Mollison

On Emotion, Vulnerability, and a Flawed God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Sep 10, 2018. 5 Replies

On 31 May, 2018, Joan Denoo posted a most excellent quote from David Hume: That quote was well deserving of a response, which is the following:The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever…Continue

Tags: flawed, vulnerable, emotion, god

Will McAvoy's Rant: "America Is NOT the World's Greatest Country"

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 25, 2018. 3 Replies

Aaron Sorkin has a habit of swinging for the fences when he writes political commentary as entertainment for television.  This was first evinced in the network television series, The West Wing, and…Continue

Tags: The Newsroom, Will McAvoy, Aaron Sorkin

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Comment by Loren Miller on March 15, 2019 at 5:56am

When the course of experience made me see that there is no saviour and no special grace, no remission beyond the human, that pain is to be endured and fades, if it fades, only with time, then God became nothing to me but a dyslexic dog, with neither bark nor bite.
-- Yann Martel

HEY, Dyslexic's DOG!!! This guy talkin' about YOU??? We all know you got both bark AND bite, so I'm wonderin' what the heck! [grin!]

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 14, 2019 at 2:02pm

Just as there are natural laws that order the universe, there are natural laws that empower healthy social functioning. What are the natural laws?

Martin Seligman gives us a clue by identifying "flourishing" as a natural result of healthy social functioning. 

Comment by Loren Miller on March 14, 2019 at 7:11am

To act morally is not to act out of fear of punishment; it is not to act as one is commanded to act. Rather, it is to act as one ought to act. And how one ought to act is not dependent upon anyone's power, even if the power be Divine.
-- Steven M. Cahn

It occurs to me that it is the Abrahamic god that invented the concept of morality derived with a hellish gun to one's head – NOT something to be proud of by any stretch of the imagination.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on March 13, 2019 at 10:23pm

Wait! Gnomes were discovered?

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Not everyone would agree on exactly how the universe is "ordered", I suspect. There's randomness built into that "order" too.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 13, 2019 at 4:57pm

* An ordered universe

* Inverse square law of gravitation 

* Fractals 

* Theory of Relativity

* Gnome

These are not inventions of the mind. They are discoveries. They exist, whether or not the brain recognizes them. I don't understand how the universe is ordered, the power of gravitation, fractals, relativity, and gnomes. I do recognize the effects of gnomes in the creation of new life. I don't need to know them. I do need to understand the consequences of these factors. 

No one is in charge, and no one needs to be in charge. What we do need are minds seeking to understand the "hidden orders of the universe."

Comment by Loren Miller on March 13, 2019 at 5:47am

Yeah ... pretty cool!

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 12, 2019 at 9:10pm

I don't have THE answer. I do know what does not work. Sex-offenders in prison receive no therapy, at least they didn't in the prison in which I worked. Many of them were discovered to be sex offenders by other inmates, although there were strong measures taken to withhold that information from the fellow prisoners. They were easy targets for the bullies of the population. 

I agree, sexual deviants have very high recidivism rates in and out of prisons. Cognitive Behavior Therapy worked for some, but certainly not all. Some research shows as high as 10% helped with therapy and no further incidents occurred, as far as can be told. That is not a very good success rate, but it is better than simple incarceration. 

  • child molesters had a 13% reconviction rate for sexual offenses and a 37% reconviction rate for new, non-sex offenses over a five year period;
  • rapists had a 19% reconviction rate for sexual offenses and a 46% reconviction rate for new, non-sexual offenses over a five year period.

~ Hanson and Bussiere, 1998.

  • rec~conviction rates for child molesters to be 20% 
  • rapists to be approximately 23%.

Quinsey, Rice, and Harris, 1995.

Comment by Loren Miller on March 12, 2019 at 4:25pm

Joan, the problem with child molesters, as I understand it, is that there is no currently available therapy which effectively and reliably counters their predilection.  I for one would NOT want them out in society.  If you have a better solution, I'd love to hear it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 12, 2019 at 4:16pm

"They have got this mentality that they are worthless without God."

~ Matt Dillahunty > Loren Miller 

Deliberately trained to be dependent!

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 12, 2019 at 4:12pm

"priest child sexual abuse" = prayer + faith = priest child sexual abuse

"child sexual abuse" = prosecution for a crime = many imprisoned men experience rape in prison =? = 

What becomes of men who go to prison on convictions of child sexual abuse? How have their lives changed because of being convicted and imprisoned into a violent, dysfunction world of prison?  Are children safer? Is society better off?

 

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