Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

Discussion Forum

"We need a much broader conversation on what morality of pro-life is"

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Apr 28. 3 Replies

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a…Continue

Tags: Planned, Parenthood, contraception, Pro-life,, O.S.B.

Aron Ra on Gods, Demons, and the Meaning of Life

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Apr 20. 2 Replies

This isn't quite a rant, but it's more than just a talk or a speech.  What follows here is the end of something Aron Ra delivered several years ago which has stuck with me practically since I first…Continue

Tags: soul, bible, skeptic, devil, god

Truth

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Feb 11. 14 Replies

"APHORISM XXV. He who begins by loving Christianity better than Truth, will proceed by loving his own sect or Church better than Christianity, and end loving himself better than all."~…Continue

Tags: Truth

Ideas

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 14, 2018. 2 Replies

The word “Permaculture” is the combination of the two words “permanent” and “agriculture.” It is a method of agricultural philosophy that allows gardeners to create and sustain growing food in a way…Continue

Tags: production, shelter, food, permaculture, Mollison

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Comment by Loren Miller on April 27, 2019 at 5:44am

Pray, v. To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner, confessedly unworthy.
-- Ambrose Bierce

On a lark this morning, I decided to go in search of Ambrose Bierce quotes and came up with the above, among quite a few others. Sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it? [grin!]

Comment by Loren Miller on April 26, 2019 at 5:50am

Don't interfere with anything in the Constitution. That must be maintained, for it is the only safeguard of our liberties.
-- Abraham Lincoln

Pretty sure that Trump knows nothing about the above quote, and I would have to wonder about Mitch McConnell as well ... but then this is what happens when people prioritize themselves over the position they hold.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 25, 2019 at 9:28pm

~ Woodworth, Whitney (13 August 2016). "Rape and Marriage: A look back at the Rideout case". Statesman Journal. Retrieved 14 January 2018.

OK! ancient tradition, modern laws, the attitudes, beliefs, customs, traditions, and values give a husband the right to rape his wife ... until Mrs. Rideout said, ”No!"

What role did philosophy play in causing people to stop and think about what husbands raping wives really means? 

Do you think the philosophy played a part in the change of that ancient law?

In any event, a law was changed, then more laws, and eventually the nation made it illegal for a husband to have sex with his wife without her consent:

In the 1984 New York Court of Appeals case of People v. Liberta, judge Sol Wachtler stated that 'a marriage license should not be viewed as a license for a husband to forcibly rape his wife with impunity. A married woman has the same right to control her own body as does an unmarried woman.'"

~ People v. Liberta 64 N.Y.2d 152, 474 N.E.2d 567, 485 N.Y.S.2d 207(1984).

Philosophy did not follow the law; law followed a change in thinking. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 25, 2019 at 9:19pm

Philosophy? Let's take a real-world example. 

A husband rapes a wife and denies her plea of  "NO!"

Husband defends his right to sex whenever and wherever he wants it. 

Family chastised wife for saying "No" because she must submit to husband's will. 

Religious community supports husbands claim because she is his property. 

In a lawsuit, she loses because "husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind to her husband which she cannot retract".

~ Sir Matthew Hale (1609-1676). 1736, The History of the Pleas of the Crown

Comment by Cane Kostovski on April 25, 2019 at 12:59pm

I agree Philosophy is the lazy scientist's religion. The study of language.

Definition of philosophy

2a: pursuit of wisdom
b: a search for a general understanding of values and reality by chiefly speculative rather than observational means
c: an analysis of the grounds of and concepts expressing fundamental beliefs


They can tell us what they think about what is in the world, about what we already know through science. Opinions!

Comment by Loren Miller on April 25, 2019 at 7:22am

Some people criticize philosophy as pointless navel-gazing. But there is a lot more to it than just that. There’s also a lot of beard-stroking: and to my experience, quite a lot of arrogant condescension too.
-- Aron Ra

Oh, do I agree with this! It reminds me of something out of a favorite book of mine:

Then there's philosophy – supposed to tackle everything. Does it? All any philosopher ever comes out with is what he walked in with – except for self-deluders who prove their assumptions by their conclusions.
-- Robert A. Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land

Any attempt at analysis without evidence which ties back to reality is a waste of time, and while I am no expert, that is philosophy in a cocked hat to me.

Comment by Loren Miller on April 24, 2019 at 5:49am

We humans are prone to err, and to err systematically, outrageously, and with utter confidence. We are also prone to hold our mistaken notions dear, protecting and nourishing them like our own children. We defend them at great cost. We surround ourselves with safe people, people who will appreciate our cherished views. We avoid those who suggest that our exalted ideas, our little emperors, have no clothes.
-- Valerie Tarico

Well ... not ALL of us, at least not as it comes to hanging onto outdated or false data. I would like to think that I'm open to new information and willing to accept it ... IF it is factual and accurate and demonstrable and verifiable. I'm kinda funny that way.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 23, 2019 at 10:05pm

Bertold, I very much like Ramsey Dukes' poem, especially as I fooled around with the ideas he generated in me. 

If Christ is one's lighthouse, 

then Satan is their sheepdog -- and the fiercer they can breed him, and the louder his bark, the better he will drive the flock to them.

If Liberal Socialism is one's lighthouse, 

then Right-Wing Thuggery is their sheepdog. 

If Capitalism is one's lighthouse, 

then a creeping Communist Conspiracy is their  sheepdog.

If Naziism is one's lighthouse, 

then World Jewry is their sheepdog.

if Traditional Values are one's lighthouse, 

then Sixties Decadence is their sheepdog. 

if the Nation is one's lighthouse,

then its evil neighbor is their sheepdog.

if Law and Order is one's lighthouse, 

then a festering criminal underworld is their sheepdog.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 23, 2019 at 9:13pm

I don't have an intense dislike for the word, "spirit," perhaps because I had a lot of Latin in my secondary education and I think of it more like an ancient term based on the "Latin spiritus "a breathing (respiration, and of the wind), breath," Bertold. 

I also visited many Italian and Greek places from which the languages evolved and I am more comfortable with the deeper sense of the word, as opposed to the religious term implied. 

Thanks for your input. 

Comment by Patricia on April 23, 2019 at 7:25pm

I like it better than awe, after I looked for synonyms.

 

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