Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

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The Founding Myth: A Striking Quote

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Nov 4. 4 Replies

Over the last couple of weeks, I have been reading Andrew L. Seidel’s excellent book, The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism is UN-AMERICAN. Barely four chapters in, Seidel has already…Continue

Tags: rights, The Founding Myth, Seidel, Andrew

"Mr. President ... I Don't Work For You"

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Aug 31. 13 Replies

There has been a major shot across President Donald Trump's bow and it came, believe it or not, from Fox News.  Specifically, it came from Fox reporter and commentator Neil Cavuto, in response to a…Continue

Tags: Neil Cavuto, Fox News, Donald Trump

On authority, obedience, and "liberal" vs. "conservative" values

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 1. 1 Reply

Last week Loren shared this quotation in the group comments:But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial…Continue

Tags: politics, purity, loyalty, liberal, conservative

On Emotion, Vulnerability, and a Flawed God

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Craigart14 Jun 1. 6 Replies

On 31 May, 2018, Joan Denoo posted a most excellent quote from David Hume: That quote was well deserving of a response, which is the following:The most preposterous notion that H. sapiens has ever…Continue

Tags: flawed, vulnerable, emotion, god

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 12, 2019 at 12:17pm

Loren, I agree, in principle, with your assessment. However, there is one GREAT advantage religious people have over secular. It is the notion of belonging to a community, sharing values, correctly or erroneously, and taking action as a group. 

The thing I miss about not belong to a church is the weekly coffee time and discussion after the bible study and sermon. What I did not realize then was the error of sharing fallacies with others. We reinforced prejudices and faulty values. I had too many questions, too many doubts, too much resistance, i.e. I could not say the Apostles Creed.

Another factor that energized my resistance was, "I'll pray for you." Praying one's way through a problem proved to be useless, especially when dealing with family violence.  

The deeply held prejudices of control over women and children and the shared views about LGBTQ was another. 

The supremacy of christianity, yet another. Why go to another person or another country to convert the "Lost?"

My first question upon leaving the community was, "What value is a family if it is the source of fear and what attributes of a family leads to healthy individuals? 

Jeez, where do I find the answers to those questions? 

EDUCATION! I enrolled in college with a major in psychology and sought the answers to both questions. I discovered family violence is not the way to raise healthy children. Abuse is not discipline. 

It is snowing; a soft, gentle, beautiful snow.

Comment by Loren Miller on November 12, 2019 at 6:41am

As Peter Berger has noted, the strategy of apologizing for Christian faith by trying to demonstrate its social utility is always eventually self-liquidating. Sooner of later people realize that a great many of the supposedly practical and secular benefits of the Christian religion can be had more easily without religion...The logic of practical atheism may well be more deeply ingrained in the evangelical tradition than conservatives perhaps have realized.
-- Craig M. Gay

I've said it many times: there is precious little you can do WITH religion that you can't do WITHOUT religion ... and I would far rather do WITHOUT it.

Comment by Plinius on November 12, 2019 at 1:46am

About 1863, Joan, and there's far too much discrimination here. Many people hold on to a strange dream of white-skinned fair haired people working their farms among cows and tulips. It has never been like that, this was a trade country from Viking times on, which means that all sorts of people from everywhere were at home here. That is imo the best trait of the Netherlands, to talk and live with all those different people.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 12, 2019 at 12:19am

I agree with you, Plinius. Sadly, segregation continues in many parts of the south and opportunities for education failed the blacks. 

When did slavery end in The Netherlands? I understand The Netherlands was an early liberal nation; do you see any remnants of discrimination against blacks? 

Comment by Plinius on November 11, 2019 at 11:39pm

The idea was good, but from the first they made exceptions for slaves and women and nothing ever came right after that.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 11, 2019 at 12:34pm

Precisely, Loren, the Founding Parents' intention was to discard religion as a part of government. Neither king nor pope for them. They framed a government around republican principles of the 18th century i.e.

"It stresses liberty and unalienable individual rights as central values, making people sovereign as a whole; rejects monarchy, aristocracy and inherited political power, expects citizens to be virtuous and faithful in their performance of civic duties, and vilifies corruption."

Richard Buel, Securing the Revolution: Ideology in American Politics, 1789–1815 (1972)

Good Grief! How far republicanism has fallen! 

Comment by Loren Miller on November 11, 2019 at 5:52am

It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service [formation of the American governments] had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven...
-- John Adams

Because they DIDN'T and they WEREN'T. The whole point of the Constitution was to leave Yahweh and his pack of non-existent deities OUT of the equation and craft a government where HUMANS took responsibility for their actions, both for themselves and the other humans they represented. What a concept, eh?

Comment by Loren Miller on November 11, 2019 at 5:41am

The problem with that, Joan, is that to my mind, the more virulent and fundamentalist the believer, the less open to micro-inoculations they are liable to be.  Ruth's article on GOP Information Warfare is downright terrifying in its concept, regarding that.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 10, 2019 at 9:59pm

Loren, if Ellison is correct, then we need to learn Street Epistemology, and fast, and start doing it. Even Thanksgiving and Christmas gatherings make excellent practicing opportunities. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 10, 2019 at 9:54pm

Therefore, Grinning Cat, my choice is Warren!  

 

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