Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

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Quotations – Momentous, Memorable, Meaningful

A place to share the words of others (or your own!) which have been impactful in your life, whether they're serious, poignant, humorous, or just something worth noting.

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I have been a quote collector and quote monger for at least as long as I've been an atheist and probably a good deal longer.  My admiration for those who enjoy reputations as wordsmiths extends even further back, whether we're talking about John F. Kennedy's assertion: "We choose to go to the moon," George Santayana's warning: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it," or James T. Kirk's deft observation when faced with the dauntingly huge First Federation ship: "Not chess, Mr. Spock ... poker!"

The realm of atheist activism has had its own share of verbal craftsmen and women, from Madalyn Murray O'Hair's: "An atheist believes that a hospital should be built instead of a church." to Aron Ra's succinct: "If you can't show it, you don't know it."

Regardless of the topic, these are words which are capable of fomenting inspiration, reflection, and sometimes even action.  They can educate and illuminate the human condition and allow us to better know ourselves.  That said, here is an open invitation to share those words which have been particularly meaningful or impactful or timely or just special to you for one reason or another.

Let's share those words and have fun!

One bit of clerical business: please hold your quotes in the comment area below to 20 lines or 200 words.  One comment should not so dominate the Home page of this group that no other comment is visible.  That way, the briefer comments and quotes of all participants are more likely to be seen, read, and appreciated.  If you have a long quote or commentary, create a post, please.

Discussion Forum

"If Right Doesn't Matter, We're Lost." (Adam Schiff)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Patricia on Friday. 1 Reply

This is a bit rushed, but I wanted to post Adam Schiff's closing statement to the impeachment trial on 24 January 2020.  This is potent stuff, and it speaks to Schiff's integrity and determination to…Continue

Tags: statement, impeachment, Adam Schiff

On authority, obedience, and "liberal" vs. "conservative" values

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Joan Denoo Dec 18, 2019. 2 Replies

Last week Loren shared this quotation in the group comments:But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial…Continue

Tags: politics, purity, loyalty, liberal, conservative

The Founding Myth: A Striking Quote

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Nov 4, 2019. 4 Replies

Over the last couple of weeks, I have been reading Andrew L. Seidel’s excellent book, The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism is UN-AMERICAN. Barely four chapters in, Seidel has already…Continue

Tags: rights, The Founding Myth, Seidel, Andrew

"Mr. President ... I Don't Work For You"

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Aug 31, 2019. 13 Replies

There has been a major shot across President Donald Trump's bow and it came, believe it or not, from Fox News.  Specifically, it came from Fox reporter and commentator Neil Cavuto, in response to a…Continue

Tags: Neil Cavuto, Fox News, Donald Trump

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Comment by Loren Miller on December 7, 2019 at 8:04am

There are so many different faiths. How do you know the holy book you have been brought up with is the true one? And if all the others are wrong, what makes you think your holy book isn’t wrong too?
― Richard Dawkins, Outgrowing God: A Beginner’s Guide

Sure, a believer will tell you point-blank that theirs is the TRUE religion ... but they will never be able to give you a hard explanation as to WHY.

Comment by Loren Miller on December 6, 2019 at 7:22am

Faith affects a Christian nationalist's self-perception. It is often argued that Christians are humble and that atheists and scientists are arrogant. But this is backward. Atheists, scientists, and other rational citizens – and religious citizens in their non-religious thinking – claimed to have answers supported by evidence, not by faith. Christianity claims to know ultimate truths about the universe with absolute certainty because of faith, not evidence. Faith, almost by definition, is conceit.
-- Andrew Seidel, The Founding Myth

It's not just conceit, it's unwarranted presumption, particularly in that damned few if any of the truths believers assert to have been determined by faith are in any substantial way demonstrable. And like the man says:

If you can't show it, you don't know it.
-- Aron Ra

Comment by Patricia on December 5, 2019 at 12:37pm

Love Mr. Fry!

Comment by Loren Miller on December 5, 2019 at 8:03am

...they [the Roman Catholic Church] for example thought that slavery was perfectly fine... absolutely okay, and then they didn't, and what is the point of the Catholic Church if it says 'oh well we couldn't know better because nobody else did'? [To the affirmative team] Then what are you for?!
-- Stephen Fry, answering a question during the 2009 Intelligence Squared debate

Very good question, one which I'm not convinced has a satisfactory answer, though I'm about to ruminate a bit on the above in my blog.

Comment by Patricia on December 4, 2019 at 12:57pm

Yes, but in the meantime, you're in the position.

Comment by Loren Miller on December 4, 2019 at 6:05am

One cannot speak truth to power if power has no use for truth.
-- James Rivington, “Turn: Washington’s Spies”

Which is precisely the circumstance we're facing in the here and now and why this administration is as dangerous as it is.  Yet as I've said many times, reality tends to win out in the end ... so stick to the truth and stick to your guns.

Comment by Loren Miller on December 3, 2019 at 5:01am

A fact never went into partnership with a miracle. Truth does not need the assistance of miracle. A fact will fit every other fact in the Universe, because it is the product of all other facts. A lie will fit nothing except another lie made for the express purpose of fitting it.
-- Robert Green Ingersoll

I was cruising around wikiquote.org when I discovered the above, and I'm astonished that I hadn't heard this from RGI before. It has to be among the most powerful statements regarding the illegitimacy of faith or miracles I have ever heard.

Comment by Loren Miller on December 3, 2019 at 4:58am

Obscene and horrid, Chris.  You deserve far better than that.

Comment by Plinius on December 2, 2019 at 11:25pm

Guess what I felt; they made me kneel on a coconut mat...

Comment by Loren Miller on December 2, 2019 at 7:22pm

Ruth, if you like THAT one, just wait until tomorrow! [big grin!]

 

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