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Atheists enjoy speculative stories as they *should* be enjoyed: for entertainment purposes only, not to be confused with reality. Members here can have fun discussiung the literature, movies, TV, etc.

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As a science fiction/fantasy writer myself, I enjoy taking voyages into the unknown. Looking at the universe as it isn't often helps us put the real world into perspective. It's also fun to take an occasional vacation from the often-harsh reality around us. Unlike the theists, the religionists, the god-groupies who feel compelled to live in fantasy realms, we visit them and then come back home--and then go voyaging again.

I hope you'll all feel free to congregate here and compare your experiences in other worlds and times.

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Comment by Stephen Goldin on April 2, 2009 at 11:12am
I know what they can name the network. (Are you listening, Leslee?): NEW COKE! It's perfect. Symbolizes the whole MBA mentality. (In Howe's rationalization explanation he even mentions the brand name Coke without noticing the irony!) He admits, it's all about money, expanding their audience.

There are 2 ways to expand. This is the cheap and easy way, the MBA way: go purely for numbers and lowest common denominator, exploiting the shit out of anything you possibly can. Then there's the good way--go for quality products, know the field and go with your gut. But that takes courage and intelligence, qualities that are alien to MBAs. What you don't do is focus groups.

Yup, you're right about the origins of "sci fi." (Which we cognoscenti pronounce "skiffy.") We only put up with the term because we all loved Forry so much. Alas, he died a couple of months ago, and now we're stuck with the term.

Meanwhile, Howe mentions Eureka coming back in July (yay!), and Sanctuary (which was okay and had potential), and something called Warehouse 13 (which I believe is something like where the Ark of the Covenant is stored). Just keep remembering Sturgeon's Law.
Comment by Richard Valcourt on April 2, 2009 at 2:10am
Oh, and because this thread hasn't become tangential enough, I just want to say that I am a rabid MST3K fan. There aren't many shows where I actually buy the DVDs, but I have all of the sets of MST3K, plus the movie. I could watch them over and over...and I do!
Comment by Richard Valcourt on April 2, 2009 at 2:06am
Reading the comments below, I think I'm reminded of why I stopped watching the Sci Fi channel on a regular basis: the ratio of wheat to chaff was too low. I was especially discouraged by the rise of paranormal and other pseudoscientific programs masquerading as science. Don't get me wrong: I love like good fantasy (I've been a reader of Analog as well as Fantasy & Science Fiction for decades), but that's what it is: fantasy. I know the difference, and I know how to escape back into reality when it's over. I'm not encouraged by the name change in the Sci Fi Channel, because it looks like they may be tossing out their roots in the interest of just making a buck. Check out this link, in which the Sci Fi president answers some of the critical questions put to him:

His responses strike me as disingenuous at best. *sigh*

Steve, you nailed it on the origins of the term "sci fi". I believe it was coined by the pun-loving Forrest J. Ackerman in the 50s so there would be a catchy competitor with the term "hi-fi". I've never liked it either: it trivialized a form of literature that was still fighting for respect.

I just checked Netflix and the first 2 seasons of Eureka are available. Huzzah! (I was going to shout "eureka!" but that would have been too obvious.) I guess I know what I'll be renting soon.
Comment by Stephen Goldin on April 1, 2009 at 11:36pm
Yes, Leslee, SyFy was not a "y's" decision. My apologies, but you did say it.

Yes, write the review when you've had some good sleep. And plenty of caffeine.
Comment by Leslee Love on April 1, 2009 at 11:20pm
Psych is my favourite show besides Doctor Who!! Monk is brilliant as well.

No, I should say "????" is not easily pronouncable (I couldn't come up with anything at the time), and fairies are great, in fact I have a neat book on fairies, but I just think the new SciFi should be stronger, more "scientifical". The "y's" I don't like. BTW, I have finished. Now onto to my review...which I may publish tomorrow morning sometime after coffee. :)
Comment by Stephen Goldin on April 1, 2009 at 11:06pm
Actually, the network that I think is consistently coming up with interesting original programming is USA Network. Other than the (now defunct) Dead Zone and The 4400 they're not sf/f, but I' a broad-minded kinda guy. Shows can be good even if they're not science fiction. I enjoy Monk, Psych, Burn Notice and even In Plain Sight.

Leslee: "????" isn't easily pronounceable. And what's wrong with fairies? They're better than SyFy....
Comment by Leslee Love on April 1, 2009 at 10:41pm
Stephen...first of all, I'm almost done. Second, I agree that the monster movies are atrocious and make me want to poke me eyes out. I never got into the Stargate saga either, and do not watch GH, or wrestling (although my son does). During the day though, while I'm slaving away, they run marathons: my faves? Twilight Zone, Doctor Who, Sarah Jane Adventures, Eureka, and more. The daytime is brilliant. I vote they call the new SciFi channel....???? Because SyFy looks too fairylike.
Comment by MJ on April 1, 2009 at 10:34pm
well, I'd agree the programming on SciFi or SyFy has really gone downhill, and all the good shows are getting axed right and left...

time to find new channels... when I ever find time to sit and watch....
Comment by Stephen Goldin on April 1, 2009 at 10:28pm
Richard--I absitively guarantee you'll love Eureka. I don't know any intelligent, scientific person who doesn't.

"Syfy" is actually a corruption of a corruption. Old-time science fiction fans like me hate the term sci-fi; it seems like such a put-down. (Harlan Ellison said "sci-fi" is the sound of two crickets fucking.) I'm given to understand that the real reason behind the name change is because they couldn't trademark the term "sci fi."

Since I never really got into the Stargate saga (which is not meant as a slam at them), the only thing I watch on that channel any more is Eureka. Certainly not wrestling or haunted houses crap. Those monster-of-the-week movies they make are so lame they should be rated NB. (That's Needs Bots, for you old MST-3K fans.) Comedy Central is starting up a new show next week that sounds promising: an s&s parody called Krod Mandoon and the Flaming Sword of Fire. Could be funny.
Comment by MJ on April 1, 2009 at 9:09pm
@richard valcourt: Devil in the Dark was def. one of my fav. eps from ST.
I have not seen the end of PD, so I'm disappointed to hear there won't be anymore and that it ended on a cliff hanger... pooh... I'm waiting for the DVD to be available...

I'm disappointed beyond belief that SciFi is changing their name to SyFy... or siffy, as I call it... seems iffy to me.
What a way to tell us, the loyal viewers that we're nerds... not even giving us geek status... AND to insinuate that we'd all LIKE SyFy *better*...

Ya know, if it ain't Broke - Don't Fix IT!!!

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