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In this world, we can't get away from religion. We've been exposed to false information regarding contraception failure rates and experienced the STD scare tactics. Some of us may even have gone through abstinence-only sex education!

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Comment by TNT666 on October 24, 2011 at 11:57am

@JP, which is exactly why I stated that before we can be completely open about youths' sexuality, in order to prevent bad situations, parents need to step up to the plate and better prepare their progeny for all of life's adventures. Our mental states are artificial but our hormones are not. Our hormonal sexual lust has evolved over millions of years and to attempt to deny it for the sake of prolonged childhood is simply not healthy for humans. It leads to psychological traumas.

And for the sake of this argument, the few GOPs I've met in my life didn't know left from right in biology.

It is not only on the topic of sexuality, it happens in many areas of discussion about "modern humans", so many people think we can just turn off evolution with the snap of a finger in order to accommodate the whims of our 'modern' civilisation. Biologically, humans ARE as we were 10s of 1000s of years ago.

Comment by TNT666 on October 24, 2011 at 11:48am

I thought it was Richard Knight's wall?

Anyway, the articles were not primarily about pedophilia but about the sexual attractions and instincts of boys (whatever age groups 'boys' mean).

Comment by Joseph P on October 24, 2011 at 8:12am
I'm not arguing either.  I just found a statement that I can't take seriously.  I specifically asked for a clarification; I didn't start screaming about it.
Comment by Joseph P on October 24, 2011 at 8:04am

Nobody on the internet is serious about pedophilia.


You really believe that?  You wouldn't like to rephrase that for greater accuracy?  Sure, it may be a small percentage of offenders who use the Internet for their crimes, but there are a lot of perverts out there.

Comment by Joseph P on October 24, 2011 at 7:52am

TNT, I think the primary place you're going wrong is in equating artificial with imaginary.  Yes, we've retarded the emotional maturation of our children with an extended puberty through middle school and high school.  In third-world countries in which people are lucky to get 6 years of education, children have to be ready to act like adults sooner, and so they are.  It's an artificial effect of modern society, but it's very real.

You can't just say, "Well, in our natural state, things would be this way," and create laws based upon your idealized world.  That's what Republicans do.  If you want to make it okay for 14 year-olds to sleep with whomever, you first need to change the way our society effects the maturation of teenagers.  You're going about it backward.


Would you seriously be okay with a 30 year old man cruising middle schools and mall food courts, trying to hook up with 12 and 13 year-old girls?  Even forgetting the pure creepy factor, a guy like that is almost certainly going to be emotionally and socially retarded or a horrifying control-freak and will probably leave the girl worse-off for the experience.


The age of consent is arbitrary, yes.  It has to be.  There's too much variation between members of the human species.  You have to pick a boundary that is likely to include the greatest number of immature people on one side and the greatest number of mature people on the other.  As a Humanist (correct me if I'm mistaken, and you're not one) you should understand the need to make rules that cause the least suffering.  If you think that 18 is the wrong number, then work to get it changed to what you think is a more appropriate number.


Yes, the case that Brother Eduardo brought up is a little fucked up.  I know of an even worse case, in which the guy was 18, and the girl was 17.  They were something like 8 months apart.  They had been having sex while both of them were under 18.  Some disapproving neighbor or family member waited until he turned 18, then had him arrested for statutory rape.  He's now married to the girl (or was at the time I read about it), but he still has to register as a sex offender.

That's why I'm in favor of dual systems, like the one in North Carolina.  The age is 18, and you're okay if both people are on either side of the line.  You're also okay if the two are within 4 years of each other, in age.  That covers most situations that most of society would be okay with.  Any state that only has a solid line can cause some ridiculous and horrifying situations.

Comment by Sean Murphy on October 24, 2011 at 7:44am
Comment by Bethany Sweet 20 minutes ago

Sean, I am not "thinly veiling" my threats.  My threat is quite clear.  Any adult who touches my child is doomed, one way or another.  I am not threatening anyone on here, as I doubt you will ever meet me or my kids.  I speak only pedophiles who have the opportunity and desire to molest my children.  If that's not you, then why worry?

Because you directed your threat very specifically at TNT666 who did not say anything even remotely suggesting an interest in your son.
Comment by Joseph P on October 24, 2011 at 7:30am

Hey!  I was raised Catholic and I ...


Well, okay, I feel the same about priests as you.  Never mind.

Comment by Sean Murphy on October 24, 2011 at 7:15am
Comment by Bethany Sweet 18 hours ago
TNT666 - Be glad I don't know you personally.
- I think I am glad I don't know YOU personally. Someone talks about knowledge as  good thing and you respond with thinly veiled threats? Wow. So are you advocating modern Christian sensitivities on an Atheist forum? Or are you knee-jerk-reacting to the inclusion of "pedophilia" and "hysteria" in the same sentence and assuming TNT666 was advocating rape?
Comment by MaleficVTwin on October 23, 2011 at 10:55pm

TNT: Regarding your last point: I was the learner. At 22-23(I honestly forget how old I was) I had only been with a couple of girls, while this 17 year old had been with over a dozen guys and a couple of girls! She had stared at 12(illegal in any state). When we started seeing each other, she had commented that it seemed that only older guys were interested in her. I told her that she acted older than she was. It was mentioned earlier that age is not indicative of readiness. This girl was certainly mature enough to handle it; she insisted that I wear a condom before I even mentioned that I had a box of them in my nightstand. I've since been with girls older than me who got pissed off that I put one on. Age does not indicate readiness, maturity, or responsibility.


And Tom, excellent point as well as an entirely new can of worms. :)

Comment by TNT666 on October 23, 2011 at 10:45pm
Yep, best be careful of all the artificial inseminations out there, you never know if you're fucking your sibling!

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