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SWiFT

Southeast Wisconsin FreeThinkers

SWiFT is a democratic organization uniting freethinkers across Southeast Wisconsin to encourage rationalism, freethought and Humanistic values.

Website: http://www.swiftnow.org
Location: Southeast Wisconsin
Members: 36
Latest Activity: Apr 13, 2015

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Discussion Forum

SWiFT members, do you think Jesus was a historical person?

Started by Mark Michicich. Last reply by kenyatta yamel Dec 27, 2014. 18 Replies

I'm not sure this question is of broad interest to SWiFT members, but as an ex-Catholic, I can't help wondering and would love to know what others think.I raise the question of Jesus' historical…Continue

Adopt-a-Highway

Started by Kristen Himsl Hunter. Last reply by Kurt Bocksenbaum Jun 5, 2012. 3 Replies

Hello, At the last SWIFT monthly meetup we discussed putting together an Adopt-a-Highway program. We are going to organize a pick-up 3 times a year (between April and November) and I know a lot of…Continue

Why are tax breaks given to the religious? Seriously, I'm really asking...

Started by Mark Michicich. Last reply by Mark Michicich Dec 8, 2011. 4 Replies

I have a basic understanding of the separation of church and state, and I am a huge advocate.  It's why I joined ffrf.  I think people should be free to be religious or not.  I get why church/state…Continue

Reconciling Science and Religion

Started by mojo5501. Last reply by mojo5501 Oct 26, 2011. 25 Replies

I wanted to discuss the anti-rational aspects of Christianity.  Why haven't fundamentalists and creationists gone away in modern society?  I am always amazed and discouraged by the amount of people…Continue

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Comment by mojo5501 on September 10, 2011 at 5:42pm
@ AKron:  I stopped by the Farmer's Market this morning a didn't see anybody with a video recorder so I must have missed you.  I was there around 9am after I did my volunteer work.  Picked up a nice red pepper and a cucumber from the man with the Irish accent and some green onions and an eggplant from the man with the Asian accent.... multi-cultural farmers' market...gotta love it.  I didn't see the people that grow the mushrooms however, and was told they were attending a wedding...what a gorgeous day for a wedding...or just about anything else outside.  I kept hearing the air show planes screeching over my house but could hardly get outside fast enough to see anything.  When I did, however, it was pretty amazing to watch!
Comment by mojo5501 on September 9, 2011 at 4:45pm
What??? Don't high schools have gynasiums anymore or auditoriums? Is this the best we can offer.... I would feel uncomfortable in a church setting in general so I don't know exactly how I'd feel about attending a graduation ceremony...would I be allowed to cover up all the religious symbolism? ha  I just had a discussion with my mom (Lutheran) who brought up the fact that their church is doing a special 9/11 service this Sunday.  I had to pipe in that 9/ll should remain a secular, national day of mourning...not really a 'religious' context.  I'm just glad I'm not still 12 and forced to attend against my will! ha
Comment by A3Kr0n on September 9, 2011 at 3:29pm

Oh great. Now I'm pissed off all over again.

"MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A federal appeals court says two Wisconsin public high schools properly held graduation ceremonies in a church."

http://gazettextra.com/weblogs/latest-news/2011/sep/09/court-uphold...
Comment by A3Kr0n on September 9, 2011 at 3:27pm

Thanks for the input Kurt and mojo. You saved me looking like an a-hole.

Mojo - I don't sit by a tent, I'm busy recording video! You could ask Theresa at the information tent where I am. Between 10-11AM I got roped into sitting at the Looking Glass patio trying to get people to show me what's in their bag. Wooo, and Hooo.

BTW: Here's the current report:

http://youtu.be/ax-zJCDn_uI
Comment by mojo5501 on September 9, 2011 at 3:02pm
AKron..you caught me.  You're right.  I have not been around much on the weekends...or the weather hasn't cooperated.  It's not that I don't WANT fresh veggies...really....I have plans tomorrow also ...Rock Trail Coalition is doing a river cleanup over by the bike trail along Afton Rd...boat dock.  If I'm not too stinky, maybe I'll drop over to Main St. Do you still sit by a certain tent? Joanna
Comment by A3Kr0n on September 9, 2011 at 2:20pm
mojo - You still haven't shown up at the farmers market yet, and there's only six more left in the season!
Comment by mojo5501 on September 9, 2011 at 1:43pm
I'm a Janesville resident but I just can't get too outraged over this sort of thing...it wouldn't really affect me personally unless it was an actual sign placed right in front of my (rented) house, annoying me on a daily basis...especially one of those blinky, blinky signs.  I can't imagine getting citizen support in this town for what you're suggesting: doing away with signs on church property or making church property owners pay a fee when they've been exempt in the past.   Not likely to happen.  I'm not saying I like it, however.
Comment by A3Kr0n on September 9, 2011 at 8:19am

Janesville Action Alert!

Hey all you three other atheists in Janesville!

The Janesville City Council on Monday will consider allowing signs—including electronic message signs—in residential areas.

Signs would need conditional-use permits from the plan commission, with the exception of churches.

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Does this piss you off as much as it does me? Why are churches exempt? What can we do about it?

Help!

Gazette Article

City email contacts

-Andy

Comment by mojo5501 on September 3, 2011 at 7:52am

I remember seeing somebody professing their religious beliefs at the Farmer's Market in West Bend on a corner....loudly....disturbing the peace, if you ask me!

 

I think the right of free speech in the public square might have its limits but I don't think a priest/pastor/minister is breaking any law when he is invited to an event on campus to speak/lecture.  I cannot imagine he would be up there proselytizing to your ethics class.  He would probably just present an argument that supports his beliefs.  I do think there would be a legal issue with requiring police/military/firefighters to give some sort of oath of loyalty 'to god'.   THAT sounds like an unethical requirement to me!  Similar to courts requiring people to swear to tell the truth on a 'holy' bible.

Comment by Mark Michicich on September 2, 2011 at 5:43pm

Hi Michael.

I agree with Kurt and mojo. Not a legal issue, but an interesting one! Lots of good material out there. Agree with mojo that Dawkins is a good source. I also really like Pascal Boyer's thoughts on the subject. And of course secular humanism provides an ethical philosophy without the trappings of religion.

In writing a book for my daughters, I tried to pull some themes together on morality from an atheist/humanist viewpoint. If interested, I'll send you that chapter.

I just sent you a friend request so I could send it to you in a message. It's not terribly long, but longer than a post. Might be too basic for you (my daughters are young), but it could give you some thought starters and has quotes and references that you could dig into further.

Mark

 

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