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The End Times

Let us strive for the Best of Times and expose and fight the morbid fantasy of the End of Times.

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The Rapture. The Apocalypse. Armageddon. Judgment Day. The End of Days. Revelation. The Second Coming. Known by many names, it's one of the most toxic, ancient religious beliefs we're still stuck with today. Please post any and all things exposing this lunacy and let's figure out how to reduce and even eradicate this twisted idea of mass suicide.

The study of End Times is also known as eschatology.

Warning - Remember, don't get despaired. It's their delusional dream of global suicide based on the hallucinations of some bad, accidental science fiction writers.

Some links to the insanity...
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EndTime.com
Rapture Ready
Satan's Rapture

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Understanding the Mayan Apocalypse And Why It Would be Foolish to Think It Meant Cease 12/21/12

Started by James M. Martin Jan 2, 2013. 0 Replies

When we woke up December 21 last year, the same old Christer lawn decorations greeted our gaze outside; laughing nervously, we probably thought, Aha, the Mayans were wrong.  Or, as others, including…Continue

Lesser of two evils, a thought experiment.

Started by Vulpes. Last reply by James M. Martin Aug 30, 2011. 1 Reply

As most of us know, there are two main camps when it comes two religion and the end of the world. The first is the "no one knows the day or hour" camp and the second is the " end times are near"…Continue

2012: The film

Started by Jo Jerome. Last reply by L. Olcott Feb 22, 2011. 8 Replies

I'm actually on my way to see it in about an hour. Eager for a good CGI-fest of world destruction and carrying low expectations as far as narrative or intelligent plot, I think it's a safe bet (not…Continue

Apocalypses: Prophecies, Cults, and Millennial Beliefs through the Ages

Started by Nate. Last reply by Vulpes Nov 30, 2010. 8 Replies

This book should be required reading for all those proclaiming that "the End is near!" It was instrumental in my personal deprogramming from an apocalyptic cult.Here's some of the Harvard University…Continue

Tags: Eugen Weber, cults, last days, end times, apocalypse

The Endmeme

Started by Richard Goscicki. Last reply by El Solo Lobo Mar 12, 2010. 6 Replies

I have something to say about this rapture bullshit.  I wrote Mirror Reversal before the End Of Faith and was the first to talk about the danger of the "endmeme."  It's the blief that Christ or the…Continue

Tags: Reversal, Mirror, Aristopus, endmeme

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Comment by Nate on December 23, 2009 at 8:44am
True, previous and different cultures have developed other end of the world beliefs. But how many people today still believe in Zoroaster's version compared to John's version?

I'm not suggesting that they're competing versions. Rather, John's Apocalypse was an elaboration of Zoroastrianism's concept of a battle between the forces of good and evil in which good would eventually triumph, ushering in a period of peace, forever free from the influences of evil.
Comment by Glenn Sogge on December 23, 2009 at 8:37am
I understand that there are many myths of end times but I read somewhere (??) recently that the kind of End Times being kicked around now started not very long ago here in America (definitely less than a century ago) and took of in the Petri dish of Christian Fundamentalism.
Comment by Nate on December 23, 2009 at 8:06am
So... Millions believe in the End Times because a guy (John) on an island 40 to 70 years after the alleged resurrection wrote some (possibly psychedelic) hallucinations based on some letters of another guy (Paul), who fell off a horse and had his own hallucinations of Jesus.

The idea actually goes back to Zoroaster (Zarathustra in Greek).
Comment by James M. Martin on December 23, 2009 at 7:40am
@Hugh: Aha! There's the rub. The problem with the concepts of sin and remission. Theoretically, you can commit any outrage and still be absolved. What's to prevent you from committing far more horrible transgressions the next time? Nothing. The clergy will tell you that you must confess your sins with genuine intent to walk the straight and narrow from then on. This ignores human nature.
Comment by Richard Goscicki on December 23, 2009 at 6:05am
Hugh, thanks for the correction. I don't like to post bad history, but I was pretty sure I was right at the time. For one thing, my historian friend, Barbara, sold 200,000 books of A Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Legends; she doesn't make mistakes. I once mentioned Connie at a party and she concurred, but said "he also killed his mother."

At any rate, the irony of this story remains incomprehensibly improbable, that one man was able to change the course of western civilization in such a weird manner. Connie actually wound up enslaving the minds of billions and billions of future people by imposing this bizarre religion on the empire. It’s nearly seventeen centuries after the fact, and we still have to put up with Christianity in our laws, (blue laws, for instance) and culturally in ways we can scarcely fathom (adultery is a serious crime, for instance—or the stores are closed Sundays).

This is not to mention the endmeme which endangers all life—and remarkably all future life—on the planet. This is pretty sick stuff when we think about what a nut job Connie was.
Comment by Jaume on December 23, 2009 at 4:11am
Constantine's family story matches the Atreides when it comes to tragedy. By a strange twist of fate, Constantine's 3rd son (Constans) was murdered in a city that was named after Constantine's mother Helena (Castrum Helenae, now Elne.)

(Incidentally, Elne is the place I happen to live in. I also lived for a while in the city where Constans's long run to evade his assassins began, so I have a few reasons to be familiar with him.)
Comment by Hugh Kramer on December 23, 2009 at 1:37am
You have the characters a little mixed up, Richard. Constantine killed his first-born son and his second wife, not his brother and mother. Here's how the story goes:

Constantine had 4 sons. The eldest, named Crispus, was by his first wife, Minervina. The other 3 were by his second wife, Fausta. Crispus was a handsome lad, popular with the people and Constantine, they say, was jealous of him. Fausta, who wanted her own sons to inherit the throne, played on Constantine's jealousy and told him that Crispus had raped her. Constantine flew into a rage and ordered the young man imprisoned and poisoned in his cell. Then, when he found out that Fausta had lied to him, he had her suffocated in an over-heated bath.

In some accounts, Constantine received baptism as a Christian only on his death-bed, thus allowing him the time to commit his many crimes and still have them washed away at the last minute by the blood of the Savior.
Comment by Richard Goscicki on December 22, 2009 at 11:25pm
Here's a good one. Constantine definitely killed his rival brother and one historian I know says he also killed St. Helena, his mother. He felt a guilty about the fratricide and sought forgiveness from the gods. The sibyls would have nothing to do with him, however, and told him he just had to live with it.

His mother, a devout Christian, told him to go to the Christians. They in turn told him, “sure, our God forgives all sins. You’re okay.”

“Shuuu,” said the emperor, “that was a close one. I’m a new man.” So he proceeded to have a really wild hallucination and then imposed his new belief system on the entire Roman Empire. I mean, it was a "believe or die" situation.

The result: seventeen hundred years later we have to listen to some fanatical tele-evangelist every time we turn on the TV on a Sunday morning.

How about the Joyce Mayer Ministries or Rev John Hagee? All because the Emperor Constantine had a serious guilt complex. I wonder why they never taught me that in Catholic high school.
Comment by James M. Martin on December 22, 2009 at 9:25pm
Love your characterization of Saul Paul as "that twisted little misogynist," lol. Many also suspect that he was also a closet homosexual. But I am afraid this gives homosexuals a bad name.
Comment by Hugh Kramer on December 22, 2009 at 7:27pm
At the time Constantine issued his Edict of Toleration in 313 CE, Christians made up perhaps 10% of the Roman population and concentrated mostly in its eastern half. That's a pretty significant percentage, especially when you consider that the heaviest persecutions of them took place in the 50 years immediately before the Edict (for the previous 200 years, persecutions were sporadic and rarely empire-wide). So I think that twisted, little misogynist, St. Paul, deserves a lot of the credit (or blame) for creating a religion tough enough to thrive under pressure.
 

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