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The "CLIMATE CONCERNS" group is dedicated to discussion regarding the topic of the ever present and serious issue of changes to our climate due to the introduction into the atmosphere of human induced effects which prove harmful to the environment and which eventually may prove destructive to our planet. 

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How Woody Guthrie can help us fight for science

Started by Joan Denoo Jan 3. 0 Replies

Oklahoma, the home of protest singer Woody Guthrie, provides an example of resistance in the 1930s class and culture wars between rural and urban values. If Woody could use his voice to speak up, so…Continue

Tags: method, Permaculture, soil, voices, farming

Framing Climate Destabilization

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Dec 9, 2016. 22 Replies

The words we use and the images they evoke shape public comprehension of Catastrophic Climate Destabilization's immanence. Here are a few terms from the past few days. It's a tiny…Continue

Tags: communicating climate science, Climate Destabilization, framing

Jet Stream Mayhem begins Tues

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Dec 3, 2016. 3 Replies

Siberian air…Continue

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Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 16, 2016 at 12:25pm

Joan, I thought all along that you were insinuating that CO2 was causing global warming.  I didn't realize you were just saying that the CO2 level was rising.

I didn't know we were going to get into this discussion, or I would have paid more attention to the source, but in the last week or two it was announced that the earth's temperature had risen 1.4 degrees Farenheit over the last 100 years.  That is the same rate as it has been following for the last 250 years, since the end of the Little Ice Age.  Despite the raise in CO2 levels, the temperature is rsing at the same rate it has been doing all along.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 16, 2016 at 4:55am

Donald, look at the red line, the CO2 line. Observe that it is below the temperature line ... until now. We aren't talking about temperature, we are talking about CO2. That is why I couldn't find this chart. You and I read it differently. 

Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 15, 2016 at 6:50pm

The chart I just entered below is a record of temperatures and CO2 taken from the Vostok Ice Core.  It is record.  There is no arguing about it.  It is not a model to be argued about.  It is a record of fact.  We are getting close to the peak of our current warming period, but we are not yet as warm as the previous four warming periods.

You can google "Vostok Ice Core Data 1",  Or you can find other charts that show the same thing by googling "Historic Temperatures".  In every chart that also shows CO2, you will find that temperature rise results in CO2 rise.  CO2 rise NEVER leads a temperature rise.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 15, 2016 at 6:39pm

Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 15, 2016 at 3:55pm

About Copernicus?  Or the warming cycle?

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 15, 2016 at 3:41pm

Donald, I am trying to find data to reveal if you are correct. So far, I find nothing to support your claim. Can you supply citations?

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 15, 2016 at 3:34pm

Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 15, 2016 at 1:14pm

Grinning Cat, before Copernicus published his work in 1512, 100% of the world's population (That is absolutely everyone) believed the earth was flat, and the entire universe spun around the earth. 

Percentages of believers don't prove anything.  Only facts count, and there aren't enough facts to prove anything yet.  In fact, the facts that are available show that we are in a normal ice age/warming cycle, and we still aren't as warm as the last four warming periods.

Comment by Grinning Cat on January 15, 2016 at 9:41am

President Obama was wrong when he tweeted that "97% of scientists agree: climate change is real, man-made and dangerous."

Turns out the actual number is above 99.9%.

Yesterday, Hemant Mehta of Friendly Atheist highlighted that finding by James Lawrence Powell, executive director of the National Physical Science Consortium. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2016/01/14/do-97-of-sc...

In Powell's own analysis, out of 24,210 papers dealing with climate change, only five denied anthropogenic global warming. Only one of those five has been cited by another author, and that exactly once.

Mehta's telling conclusion: There are literally more Republicans in Congress who deny climate science than there are published scientists who feel the same way.

Related: 6% of scientists are Republican. Scientists have no explanation for why that number is so high.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 14, 2016 at 11:42pm

Joan, I'm not being disrespectful, but I'm not sure I understand your point in this last entry.  Are you pointing out that there were human remains found in the moraine?  If so, that is not suprising to me, because they think humans came across the land bridge some 15,000 years ago during the last ice age.  I'm sure many, if not all, died and the glacier absorbed their bodies, and then later deposited them in the moraines. 

 

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