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Climate Concerns

The "CLIMATE CONCERNS" group is dedicated to discussion regarding the topic of the ever present and serious issue of changes to our climate due to the introduction into the atmosphere of human induced effects which prove harmful to the environment and which eventually may prove destructive to our planet. 

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Comment by Joan Denoo on January 25, 2016 at 3:17pm

Donald, I may be dense, however, I do not see what you see. 

How is Today’s Warming Different from the Past?

"Models predict that Earth will warm between 2 and 6 degrees Celsius in the next century. When global warming has happened at various times in the past two million years, it has taken the planet about 5,000 years to warm 5 degrees. The predicted rate of warming for the next century is at least 20 times faster. This rate of change is extremely unusual.

Comment by Grinning Cat on January 25, 2016 at 11:53am

Something to upvote on cheezburger.com's FAIL Blog:

National fail: who needs SURVIVAL when we have car racing and jet-skis?

Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 16, 2016 at 12:25pm

Joan, I thought all along that you were insinuating that CO2 was causing global warming.  I didn't realize you were just saying that the CO2 level was rising.

I didn't know we were going to get into this discussion, or I would have paid more attention to the source, but in the last week or two it was announced that the earth's temperature had risen 1.4 degrees Farenheit over the last 100 years.  That is the same rate as it has been following for the last 250 years, since the end of the Little Ice Age.  Despite the raise in CO2 levels, the temperature is rsing at the same rate it has been doing all along.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 16, 2016 at 4:55am

Donald, look at the red line, the CO2 line. Observe that it is below the temperature line ... until now. We aren't talking about temperature, we are talking about CO2. That is why I couldn't find this chart. You and I read it differently. 

Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 15, 2016 at 6:50pm

The chart I just entered below is a record of temperatures and CO2 taken from the Vostok Ice Core.  It is record.  There is no arguing about it.  It is not a model to be argued about.  It is a record of fact.  We are getting close to the peak of our current warming period, but we are not yet as warm as the previous four warming periods.

You can google "Vostok Ice Core Data 1",  Or you can find other charts that show the same thing by googling "Historic Temperatures".  In every chart that also shows CO2, you will find that temperature rise results in CO2 rise.  CO2 rise NEVER leads a temperature rise.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 15, 2016 at 6:39pm

Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 15, 2016 at 3:55pm

About Copernicus?  Or the warming cycle?

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 15, 2016 at 3:41pm

Donald, I am trying to find data to reveal if you are correct. So far, I find nothing to support your claim. Can you supply citations?

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 15, 2016 at 3:34pm

Comment by Donald L. Engel on January 15, 2016 at 1:14pm

Grinning Cat, before Copernicus published his work in 1512, 100% of the world's population (That is absolutely everyone) believed the earth was flat, and the entire universe spun around the earth. 

Percentages of believers don't prove anything.  Only facts count, and there aren't enough facts to prove anything yet.  In fact, the facts that are available show that we are in a normal ice age/warming cycle, and we still aren't as warm as the last four warming periods.

 

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