Climate Concerns

The "CLIMATE CONCERNS" group is dedicated to discussion regarding the topic of the ever present and serious issue of changes to our climate due to the introduction into the atmosphere of human induced effects which prove harmful to the environment and which eventually may prove destructive to our planet. 

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Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on August 20, 2015 at 5:02pm

It was Michael Mann's"Hockey Stick", Donald. Al Gore just popularized it.

As to the CO2 from WW II, look at this chart. The CO2 didn't jump up so much you could notice from this scale. There's no bump on the blue line. The little dip in temperature (red line) around that time is probably due to one of the ocean-atmosphere cycles. Paying attention to a minor variation, as if it refutes the far larger trend is called cherry picking.

image source (chart stops at 2009)

There was no "Ice Age is coming scare" consensus from scientists in the 70's. Only 10% of articles predicted an ice age.

In the thirty years leading up to the 1970s, available temperature recordings suggested that there was a cooling trend. As a result some scientists suggested that the current inter-glacial period could rapidly draw to a close,... At the same time as some scientists were suggesting we might be facing another ice age, a greater number published contradicting studies.

 Unfortunately, the small number of predictions of an ice age appeared to be much more interesting than those of global warming, so it was those sensational 'Ice Age' stories in the press that so many people tend to remember. [emphasis mine]

The vast majority of climate papers in the 1970s predicted warming.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on August 12, 2015 at 2:18pm

You mean Gore's "Hockey Stick" chart is correct?

Comment by Gerald Payne on August 12, 2015 at 8:04am

Donald you obviously haven't heard that the medieval never happened. I think it's one of those historical events that don't comply doctrine therefore must have been imagined!!

Comment by Donald L. Engel on August 12, 2015 at 2:01am

Go to Google enter "Vostok Ice Core data".  When a google page comes up, go to the top of the page and click on "images".  Every graph, and I repeat EVERY GRAPH shows that we are near the  peak of a warming period.  But we are not yet as warm as the previous four warming periods.  We are not even as warm as the "medieval warming period" of 1,000 years ago.  

Look at the Glacier Bay map above.  It proves the oceans were warming at least 100 years before the industrial revolution even got started.

As you stated, the world human population now stands at 7.2 billion people.  Every time a person exhales, they are exhaling CO2 into the atmosphere.  I just counted my breathing, and I exhaled 16 times in one minute.  That's 115 billion exhales per minute for 24/7 around the world.  If CO2 is causing the problem, then we need to start killing more people to save the earth!!

Comment by Gerald Payne on August 11, 2015 at 5:19pm

At least you made your point doubly clear Joan!

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 11, 2015 at 4:31pm

Sorry about my "echo" that just will not go away. I cleaned up the post about solar spots and, as if by magic, my paragraph repeated with a chunk left out. From where did it come? I know not. Why did my post not stay pristine? I have no idea. Please forgive me for my gremlin in my machine. 

Comment by Gerald Payne on August 11, 2015 at 3:08pm

Sunspot 'theory' is not a questionable happening Joan. These things were noticed long before the ideas of man made global warming. Astronomers in the 18th and 19th century noticed that ''when the sunspot count goes down the price of corn goes up'' these people were the intellectual heavyweights of their day and although maybe ignorant of the underlying physics involved were nevertheless equal in modern terms to the scientific need for investigation of noticeable phenomena. To disregard the observations of intellectual enquirers makes Galileo's persecution oh so understandable.

All this nonsense about solar activity is specious intelligence that belongs in the dustbin. The only knowledge we have of solar energy influencing climate is sunspot prevalence resulting in solar magnetic weakness and vice verse. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 11, 2015 at 2:46pm

Donald, imagine you fill a waterbed with a hose. At first the water begins to fill up slowly, seeming to take forever. Then a larger hose produces greater water flow, and the mattress starts to pull out all the wrinkles. The water flow goes on for a long time, and when the waterbed is full of water, it overflows. Water has no place to go but spill out. 

CO2 provides a similar situation when released into the atmosphere. The natural process can take care of the increase until the inflation gets to the tipping point where the Earth's process can no longer carry the load. The natural processes begin to change things on Earth. Glaciers melt, soils dry out, forest wither, the tundra becomes exposed and increases even more CO2 into the atmosphere. Ocean waters warm causing a change in the currents that have existed throughout human history. Flora and fauna die off, causing mass extinctions. Ocean levels rise. The human load is more than the planet can feed. With the world population now at 7,262,042,790 +, hunger spreads, diseases, and sicknesses increase, water aquifers dry up, plow farming kills off microorganisms that make healthy soils, crops fail. Fear, anger, resentment grow and create wars and rumors of wars. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 11, 2015 at 2:21pm

Astronomers take the heat out of sunspots theory.

"Forget the sunspot connection. Scientists say that rising global average temperatures cannot be attributed to them as there has been no long-term upward trend in solar activity since 1700."

Foconnection. Scientists say that rising global average temperatures cannot be attributed to them as there has been no long-term upward trend in solar activity since 1700.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on August 11, 2015 at 9:43am

I know I wrote this somewhere on Atheist Nexus, but can't find it, so here it is again.

Beginning in 1940, all of the factories in the world started firing up and operating 24/7 for World War II.  Thousands of ships plied the oceans, thousands of planes were flying almost 2d4/7 and burning high octane aviation fuel.  That went on for 5 years, and all of those ships were burning coal.

The result of all that polluting?  The earth's temperature dropped for the next 30 years.  The scientific organizations that are crying "global warming" now were crying an ice age is coming back then

Google "ice age is coming scare in the 1970’s".


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