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The "CLIMATE CONCERNS" group is dedicated to discussion regarding the topic of the ever present and serious issue of changes to our climate due to the introduction into the atmosphere of human induced effects which prove harmful to the environment and which eventually may prove destructive to our planet. 

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On the ground in East Washington State

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner 12 hours ago. 1 Reply

Ed Souminen, a land owner in Eastern Washington, shares a personal account of what it's like to live in dried-out fire-prone forest.…Continue

Tags: dying forests, climate change, Washington wildfires

Permamelt in southern Siberia

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on Tuesday. 4 Replies

The southern boundary of Siberian permafrost permamelt in Khakassia had a massive wildfire outbreak  April 12th. Some call this an early start of the permaburn season.…Continue

Tags: Siberian permafrost fires

Global warming is not man made

Started by Donald L. Engel. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on Tuesday. 19 Replies

"people's vunerability to science denial" is not a fair phrase to use with the subject of "man-made global warming".  Or as the climatologists like to say, "anthropogenic CO2" is responsible for…Continue

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Comment by Gerald Payne on August 11, 2015 at 3:08pm

Sunspot 'theory' is not a questionable happening Joan. These things were noticed long before the ideas of man made global warming. Astronomers in the 18th and 19th century noticed that ''when the sunspot count goes down the price of corn goes up'' these people were the intellectual heavyweights of their day and although maybe ignorant of the underlying physics involved were nevertheless equal in modern terms to the scientific need for investigation of noticeable phenomena. To disregard the observations of intellectual enquirers makes Galileo's persecution oh so understandable.

All this nonsense about solar activity is specious intelligence that belongs in the dustbin. The only knowledge we have of solar energy influencing climate is sunspot prevalence resulting in solar magnetic weakness and vice verse. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 11, 2015 at 2:46pm

Donald, imagine you fill a waterbed with a hose. At first the water begins to fill up slowly, seeming to take forever. Then a larger hose produces greater water flow, and the mattress starts to pull out all the wrinkles. The water flow goes on for a long time, and when the waterbed is full of water, it overflows. Water has no place to go but spill out. 

CO2 provides a similar situation when released into the atmosphere. The natural process can take care of the increase until the inflation gets to the tipping point where the Earth's process can no longer carry the load. The natural processes begin to change things on Earth. Glaciers melt, soils dry out, forest wither, the tundra becomes exposed and increases even more CO2 into the atmosphere. Ocean waters warm causing a change in the currents that have existed throughout human history. Flora and fauna die off, causing mass extinctions. Ocean levels rise. The human load is more than the planet can feed. With the world population now at 7,262,042,790 +, hunger spreads, diseases, and sicknesses increase, water aquifers dry up, plow farming kills off microorganisms that make healthy soils, crops fail. Fear, anger, resentment grow and create wars and rumors of wars. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 11, 2015 at 2:21pm

Astronomers take the heat out of sunspots theory.

"Forget the sunspot connection. Scientists say that rising global average temperatures cannot be attributed to them as there has been no long-term upward trend in solar activity since 1700."

Foconnection. Scientists say that rising global average temperatures cannot be attributed to them as there has been no long-term upward trend in solar activity since 1700.

Comment by Donald L. Engel on August 11, 2015 at 9:43am

I know I wrote this somewhere on Atheist Nexus, but can't find it, so here it is again.

Beginning in 1940, all of the factories in the world started firing up and operating 24/7 for World War II.  Thousands of ships plied the oceans, thousands of planes were flying almost 2d4/7 and burning high octane aviation fuel.  That went on for 5 years, and all of those ships were burning coal.

The result of all that polluting?  The earth's temperature dropped for the next 30 years.  The scientific organizations that are crying "global warming" now were crying an ice age is coming back then

Google "ice age is coming scare in the 1970’s".

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 11, 2015 at 1:43am

Donald, I respectfully disagree with you. However, I invite you to sit down with any o your descendants and tell them the changes occurring are natural, not to worry. 

Meanwhile, the soils dry out, the forests burn, the oceans acidify, a mass extinction of flora and fauna occurs, ocean levels rise, and all is OK because it has happened before. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 11, 2015 at 1:39am

Alan, I was unable to copy the entire URL either. I will be able to get it by retitling it if you agree I can post it on Facebook. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 11, 2015 at 1:18am

Alan, I was unable to get the site from the truncated URL, so copied the whole thing and was able to see your article.

May I post it on Facebook with attribution to you?

Here is the entire URL:

http://www.sentinelsource.com/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/nascar-...

http://www.sentinelsource.com/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/nascar-...

Comment by Donald L. Engel on August 11, 2015 at 1:03am

Hi Joan,  The earth is still warming just as it did during the last 4 warming periods after the ice ages.   That is what is causing the forest fires we are seeing. That is what is causing the ice caps and glaciers to melt.

Solar energy only works if, and when, the sun is shining.  Windmills only work if the wind is blowing.

We are destroying power-producing dams for fish.  What is your solution?

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 10, 2015 at 11:50pm

Donald,  I don't think you are considering all of the consequences that would occur with oil. If a boat is sinking, the remedy is not to pump water into the boat; if a person is drowning, the remedy is not to pour water over his or her head. 

Tell me, Donald, if we pump all the oil out of the Eart, burn it, what will be the probable outcome? Is it possible human kind is killing life as we know it? What is causing the drying of the soils, the loss of forests to fires, the movement of flora and fauna to high altitudes and more northern and southern latitudes? 

What if we mine all the coal, pump all the oil and gas, will your quality of life be better or worse, Donald? 

 I don't think you are considering all of the consequences that would occur without oil.

Comment by Alan Perlman on August 10, 2015 at 10:01pm

The following letter to the editor was published in the Keene (NH) Sentinel on July 27:

http://www.sentinelsource.com/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/nascar-... 

 

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