Godless in the garden


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Comment by Thomas Murray on July 17, 2017 at 7:27pm


Do you get nightly visitors to your garden?

Comment by Don on July 17, 2017 at 1:44pm

Here's a report from northern Vermont, where our spring and early summer have been inordinately wet and cool.  It's looking to be a banner year for berries of all sorts, but the warm-weather-loving crops (beans, squash, tomatoes, and so on) have been laggardly.  

Two photos, the first of my garden yesterday, July 16, and the second from July 18, 2014.  Quite a contrast!


Comment by Thomas Murray on July 17, 2017 at 11:29am


My mother and I used to go picking raspberries south-east of Portland, Ore..... I think this was 1974. Eventually, I was politely asked not to pick anymore. I had difficulty seeing the difference between the ripe and not so ripe ones.... but I did enjoy it though.....

Comment by Thomas Murray on July 17, 2017 at 11:25am

Kathy ,

I've driven thru eastern Kentucky twice...once in the winter and once in the spring. I loved the forest and the mountains. It is depressing to imagine that some of these mountains become desolate flat tops.

Comment by Thomas Murray on July 17, 2017 at 11:09am

...ahh sh#t.... that didn't work....


Grant County, Ky is where the Ark Encounter is.....

Comment by Thomas Murray on July 17, 2017 at 11:01am
Comment by kathy: ky on July 17, 2017 at 12:17am
Joan, I've seen some really bad results from Botox and plastic surgery. I'll take a natural look at any age.
There are about two acres of meadow then about two acres of trees behind our two acres with trees so the mines are hidden from our view. The reason I talk in acres is because our neighbors own the property that surrounds us and I know what they own. And where the property lines are. They own the strip behind us and up to the mine. Altogether they have forty acres but most of it lies beside us. And the mine is a very small outfit. They are stripping where Peabody Mines had a larger outfit over thirty years ago. Back when there were Union mines. They are all non union now. When they​ first opened they blasted once a day but it was small scale stuff.
They've almost worked it out so they no longer blast and the workforce is down to maybe only twenty or less. When they​ first started the dust was worse than usual but we have a very long, gravel, driveway and we get a bit of dust from it when we drive in or out. The trees made a big difference in muffling the sounds and keep the dust down. It's not something​ I like but it would be a lot worse if it was a larger outfit or an underground mine.

Thomas, Massey is behind them after you trace through several shill corporation. They file bankruptcy protection and reopen under a different name. Just your everyday crappy, screw the workforce kind of deals that are common place business practices now : (
Comment by Joan Denoo on July 16, 2017 at 10:33pm

Daniel, your harvest is beautiful, as always. Such healthy potatoes and greens, and onions. Isn't harvest time wonderful?!

I like your descriptions of raising your beds; it does make a big difference on the energy used by the gardener. I like the idea of concrete blocks at ground level; your wood should last a bit longer if they are not sitting on wet soil. I think 4' x 8' or longer is perfect and you will be relieved of the mowing the paths. 

Bertold, thanks for special AlterNet piec, "Gardening As One Way to Fight Trump-Era Hopelessness: One family's effort to grow their way out of despair." I also like your affirmation, "Surprise of all surprises, Donald Trump is making the corn grow in Connecticut!"

Kathy, I had to laugh when you wrote about BOTOX. I was at the doctor's office last week and one of the office personnel clearly had botox lips, kind of Ethiopian Suri looking in an odd sort of way. If I were a man I surely would not want to kiss her lumpy, big lips.

What is it like to live so close to a strip mine? How is the air, water, and forest looking, or do you have forests? Any other problems they cause you? What are options for getting internet service?

Thomas Murray, you wrote, "The only possible positive outcome of strip mining is if they started in Grant County, Kentucky." Can you tell us more? Why should strip mining start in Grant Co., Kentucky? 

Randy, I wish I could sit down and have a nice ear of corn, picked cooked, and eaten within minutes. We used to start the kettle boiling and then go to the garden, pick and shuck the golden treasures, and get them into the pot. I grew beautiful corn in my Spokane garden when it was all vegetables. I planted corn among the perennials when I turned the spot into a meditation garden, after the kids all fledged. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 16, 2017 at 8:55pm

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Was it hard to put together?

Larry and Laura hired two firefighters from their District 8 Volunteer Fire Dept. I don’t remember how long it took them to complete it. 

Laura prepared the base by leveling off the ground, brought in a truck load of gravel, and then the men built the structure. I heard no swearing or saw no throwing of tools in frustration, so I assume it was a matter of putting the puzzle together. 

I directed the filling of the boxes with soil: MY SOIL!

I have several composting methods

1) Basic Composter – a self-contained unit with a lid that keeps raccoons and skunks out. 

2) Spinning Composter – is near the kitchen so it is easy to bring my compost bucket out to it. Mine is a double bin rotating one. Very fast composter. Although spinning composters cost a little more than basic models, they cook the compost quicker. 

~ Gardening Know How: Best Compost Bins: Tips For Choosing The Perfect Compost Bin https://www.gardeningknowhow.com/composting/basics/choosing-compost...

3) Wire cage we happened to have and into which I through all the big stuff from the garden. It is a long-term compost heap. It fills fast and then sinks down to almost nothing. 

4) Composting Worm Farm. This requires rather small buckets of kitchen waste. Coffee grounds go in here, and some dry carbon, i.e. straw, paper, cardboard, egg cartons, fruit, and vegetables. I keep it in the greenhouse during the summer and in the garage in winter. Don’t want those red worms to die.  

5) Composted brown manure from chicken coops, horse barns, and cow barns. Friends bring in whatever they have to spare so that I have a hot manure composting all the time.

Larry installed an automatic water timer and hoses from the water tank to the beds. We turned that off when the water began to freeze, especially the night freezes.

Thank you for any input!

You are very welcome. 


Gardening As One Way to Fight Trump-Era Hopelessness

One family's effort to grow their way out of despair.

By Frida Berrigan / TomDispatch

July 11, 2017, 7:26 AM GMT


Comment by Joan Denoo on July 16, 2017 at 8:54pm

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Do you get greens or vegetables mid winter?  

Only collard greens; they tend to be tough and strong tasting and so I use them judiciously.  

Does it overheat in summer? 

Yes, we use a sun screen cover over the south side and top in the heat of summer. 

Any problems with plant disease or bugs?  

I had to learn now to control for mold and fungus. I use diatomatious Earth.  

Mid July I start an Epsom salt drench q/3weeks, 1 gal water: 1 T Epson Salt until Oct. We have toads the kids catch in the terrace garden; they get the grasshoppers that sometimes get in. They also like the pupa and bugs on the plants or on the ground. I have seen no signs of aphids.

What plants do well?  Which ones dont?

I tried a lot of different brassicas and they didn’t do well for me. I used old seed for a mixture of vegetables and they were not successful. I am going to try fresh heirloom seeds next year. 

The successful plants were beans coming on now, dill, coriander, mint, Italian flat leaf parsley, kale, collards, peas, basil, garlic, lettuce, spinach, indeterminate tomatoes, and potatoes. 


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