Godless in the garden


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Comment by Joan Denoo on May 21, 2017 at 8:58pm

Daniel, your photos reflect your calm, peaceful nature and your sweet care of living things and beautiful memorial to your dog. 

I don't think I read of Charlie's passing and assume you pay tribute to Baigou.

Your flowers look perfect. I can almost smell them.

Your Running Ducks look so cute. They will bring you much pleasure, I am sure. I wonder if they breed like rabbits; so many videos shows huges flocks of Running Ducks going to work. Here is just one

Comment by kathy: ky on May 21, 2017 at 8:54pm
Daniel, the first photo, from the top, looks so much like the view of the yard at the left of my driveway it's eerie.

Thanks for the kind words folks. As we all know life can be harsh at times.
Comment by Randall Smith on May 17, 2017 at 9:57am

Wow, I didn't know, Kathy. Sorry to hear your news.

Joan, I can imagine how hard it was to part with your home of 41 years. I've been in mine for 40 and dread the day I have to leave. I just may not!

Spud, lots of luck moving all those chips! Holy cow! Personally, I've never been a fan of using them. I have my reasons.

And Daniel, I hope you know I'm just kidding around. I take few things seriously. And I certainly defer to your expertise.

Comment by Plinius on May 17, 2017 at 7:47am

Very heavy work, Kathy! I'm sorry to hear that you have such a burden. I do hope you two have some quality time together.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 17, 2017 at 1:31am

Kathy, I am sorry to learn of your challenges! I know there are no words or deeds that can ease your trials. I, and we at A/N stand with you and have strong shoulders if you need a place to vent or regeneate. I'm glad you have gardening as an interest. Being in touch with the soil seems to put things in perspective. 

I hope your husband is able to be comfortable and peaceful. My thought remain with you. 

Comment by kathy: ky on May 17, 2017 at 12:07am
Joan, I've agree with you about giving up places. It's often more difficult than we think.

Taking care of a terminally ill husband is draining any energy I would ordinarily have. Emotional stress takes a physician toll on me and my weight continues to drop. I didn't have any to spare to begin with :(
Comment by Joan Denoo on May 16, 2017 at 3:22pm

I also use the small seived material for mulch in my Spokane garden. 

Laura instructed me not to use wood bark or mulch because of fire hazards. I search, now, for groundcovers that will grow in the forest and other plants recommended by Firewise, a wildfire and firefighting resources network. 

I have emotionally said and feel disconnected from my Spokane home. Those years passed and a new environment attracts my attention. It was harder to detach than I thought; 41 years of creating a safe, secure, stable home and garden built bonds that resisted change. I'm Ok now. I have special memories that sustain me while forming new bonds in my current life. 

Being an elder requires giving up dawn to dusk working at tasks. I don't know how Daniel can keep up the pace and I admire him for it. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 16, 2017 at 3:00pm

Spud, you have a treasure trove with that 16 yars of "chips", if you have time and energy. I would have the time and not the energy. I hope you can salvage the entire load. 

First, if you have a large Wheelbarrow Sifter for Compost and Soil, it is easy to sift such a delivery. I made three of different frames out of scrap material. The hardware store supplied me with several different sizes of seives and with a staple gun, quickly fastened them to the frames.  

The large material goes into my "Long time" compost pile. The chips go onto my walkways, and I use the small seived material in my "Fast" compost. It takes a lot of work and there were days when I could do that. Those days now reside in the days of old and I have a new normal. 

The "delivery" charge is outrageous. My sources deliver for free, happy to be rid of the stuff. 

What are Ramial chips? 

"there are three kinds of wood chips: industrial chips, bark chips and ramial chips.

industrial chips: "old building materials,... may contain nails, putty, treated and painted wood, and other items from old buildings ... the uses of industrial chips are few and they need to be used with care. In general, Refuse industrial wood chips ... unless sure of the source materials".

bark chips: "often available from log processing facilities such as saw mills. These make great mulches on many perennials, as the tanin in them makes them long lived. Their dark color is also attractive. They are very low in nitrogen. You do NOT want to till them into your garden soil. They are generally available only by purchasing them either bagged or in bulk, either from the producer, garden centers or nurseries. Ocassionally you can find an unwanted pile at a sawmill, where they are considered a nuisance."

I buy these, either by the truck load or bagged. I specify red fir bark because I like the look.

ramial chips: "from trees and brush, from branches up to about 4 inches in diameter with or without leaves. A fairly high percentage of their mass is thin young bark, young wood, and sometimes leaves.

"I think of ramial chips as falling into three categories based on how to use them: summer chips (with leaves), spring, fall and winter chips (without leaves), and evergreen chips (with needles). And within these three categories there are sub-categories, such as cedar chips (long-lasting, poor composters), or alder chips (fast rotting, good mulch), and so on. Ramial chips are what I use most, so I will from here on just refer to them as 'chips'."

~ Tom Roberts, In praise of ramial chips, and other "waste" materials


Comment by Idaho Spud on May 16, 2017 at 11:58am

I've been waiting to see a tree service company chipping-up trees, so I could get some Ramial wood chips.  Yesterday I saw a company taking down 2 trees, so I had them deliver 16 yards to my place.  

There were larger pieces than I expected, but quite a large amount of smaller chips and dust, with leaves.  Most of the chips are about one-half inch in length and thin.

I called them today and ask how big were the largest branches they chipped-up.  They said up to 12 inches, so I guess I don't officially have Ramial chips, which are below 3 inches.

They charged me $65.  They said it's a set price for the delivery, no matter how much material is delivered.  That's not bad for 16 cubic yards, but seems overpriced anyway, because if they didn't deliver them to me, they would have to go much further to the landfill. 

I don't thing the landfill charges anything for that kind of material.  It's put on the compost piles and people that want compost can buy it.  I don't buy any compost from them because I'm sure a lot of it has unwanted chemicals in it.

Because a good portion of my chips are from large branches, I'm not going to till any in, just put it on top of the garden soil.  I'll see if I can find a spot to bury the larger pieces.  There are some whole branches about up to 3/4 inch diameter and 2 feet long.  I even found one 5 inches in diameter and 1 foot long.

Comment by Randall Smith on May 16, 2017 at 7:12am

Daniel, as Jack Benny would say with exhasperation, "Well!". True, there are several methods of transplanting trees. I usually take the simplest one. I did watch Joan's video. I'm certainly no expert.


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