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The myth of religions

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo on Saturday. 3 Replies

The creation myth of civilizations instructs men to dominate, to conquer, to go forth and multiply. No reasonable person would pay attention to such a god. No hunter-gatherer receives such a senseless message from wise elders.However, that idea…Continue

Tags: masculine, violation, imperative, go forth and multiply,, conquest

Winter Driving, Preparing for the worst

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Feb 1. 2 Replies

Now that we enter the time the Celtics called Imbolc, a pagan celebration of the beginning of spring and season of new life, I ran across this video on preparing for winter driving. It offers reasons for each thing he puts in his vehicles to be safe…Continue

Tags: prepare, driving, winter

A Powerful Message from an old wise teacher :

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Chris Dec 26, 2017. 10 Replies

I received a gift this morning from a virtual friend, Pamela Smith:A Powerful Message from an old wise teacher :" One day an old wise teacher was walking through a village. A very angry and rude young man came up and began insulting him. "You have…Continue

10 Tricks from 46 (Betty Bowers)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 6, 2017. 3 Replies

Apparently, Betty Bowers, America's Best Christian, has been slumming.  That is to say, she's been talking to Mike Pence [gasp!].  It would seem as though Mike has offered some of his not-so-personal tricks of the trade on how to be a 21st century…Continue

Tags: tricks, Mike Pence, America's Best Christian, Betty Bowers

Surreal, I haz it

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Grinning Cat Oct 19, 2017. 99 Replies

Surreal, not just found in art.Continue

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Comment by Joan Denoo on July 14, 2017 at 11:44am

Thomas, I had a good laugh when I saw your citations. Religion blinds one to believe in dogma and to ignore evidence. 

Oh yes! I  was a Christian wife and mother during the abuse. I had to pack my three kids, two mother cats, and their kittens, along with pillows, blankets, a slow cooker and run 2,000 miles to get free of abuse. My religious community in Spokane that I had belonged to for probably 20 years, tried to teach me how to accept abuse. 

Fuck off you snakes in the grass!

I lost my marriage, church community, and some family members when I left and it was worth it!

Oh yes! I had been through the James Dobson discipline class, I had learned to "yield, pray, forgive, to turn the other cheek, and love my abuser to the Lord!" 

I called these words, "the passive gospel" when I wrote my Masters thesis, and "assault is assault" for my Doctoral Dissertation. 

I have been out of that marriage for 43 years, now. What a gift I received when I ran away from my problems. Sure, I had a new set of problems, but they were manageable. I worked full time, went through my training full time, and raised my three children to adulthood.  

Here is an album of my garden that I created from scratch, starting in 1974

My Spokane Garden

And here is my new garden at L&L Acres

l-l-paradise-acres-greenhouse-june-11-2017

I'm 81 years old now, living with my daughter and her husband, and happy as a Lady Bug in a field of aphids. Laura and Larry built me a beautiful greenhouse and provide everything I need, including love and affection. 

Comment by Thomas Murray on July 14, 2017 at 10:49am

Learn more about the benefits of physical abuse...

Welcome to CDD ( Christian Domestic Discipline)

http://christiandomesticdiscipline.com/

I thought that must be some joke or fake website but:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/spanking-for-jesus-inside-the-unholy-w...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/21/christian-domestic-discipl...

Comment by Thomas Murray on July 14, 2017 at 10:40am

Ian, That cartoon was funny!

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 14, 2017 at 9:20am

Ian, that's not an inaccurate depiction.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 13, 2017 at 11:36pm

I can testify that the hitting resides in the hitter; nothing makes him or her hit. Some families grow without ever experiencing assault!

Oh! by the way, people caught in homes that use physical violence call the practice, "discipline." No one uses the words assault or violence. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 13, 2017 at 11:29pm

Learning as experience by a baby born into a violent home.

Baby observes father hit mother; observes mother’s pain and embarrassment. Baby feels the slap on the face or a smack on the bottom by mother or father; experiences the pain and embarrassment. 

Baby become part of an extended family and sees Grandfather hit Grandma, Uncles hit Aunts, and the feelings of helpless and hopelessness turn into expectations of seeing and experiencing the assaults. Grandfathers, uncles, and fathers claim they have sovereignty over wives and children. Grandmothers, aunts, and mothers instruct growing child on how to behave so that one can avoid being hit.

Nowhere is there a question about the use of assault as a discipline tool and its consequences!

The child, grown into adulthood, learned well the lessons of how to be a man or a woman. They repeat the patterns of their past or swear to never use assault as a tool of discipline. 

Is this Rationalism or Empiricism? 

As the adult enters the public world and encounters potential mates, or takes on the learned role of male or female, how does his past learning work?  

What triggers a reevaluation of old learnings?

Comment by Ian Mason on July 13, 2017 at 9:17pm

Thomas and Berthold, is this what it's like?

Comment by Ian Mason on July 13, 2017 at 9:16pm

Joan, I see empiricism as 'experience first, understand later.' It's closer to the scientific method of observing and then working out the 'how' and 'why'. Rationalism starts and ends with thinking.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 13, 2017 at 9:04pm

Ian, your response to my discussion with Ruth started me on a search: "'rationalism' vs 'empiricism' debate". 

"Rationalists asserted that, in principle, all knowledge, including scientific knowledge, could be gained through the use of reason alone, they also observed that this was not possible in practice for human beings, except in specific areas such as mathematics."

~ The Basics of Philosophy, Rationalism

"Philosophical empiricists hold no knowledge to be properly inferred or deduced unless it is derived from one's sense-based experience. This view is commonly contrasted with rationalism, which states that knowledge may be derived from reason independently of the senses."

Empiricism philosophy definition

Are you able to word these ideas into understandable concepts? I was never good at this kind of thinking. 

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on July 13, 2017 at 7:47pm

Thomas -- I've used a cpap for 7 or 8 years with no problems, and I think I'm pretty majorly claustrophobic. (E.g., they give me a valium when I get an mri.) There are different mask types available. I have the very small "nose pillow" that only goes over your nose and it's never bugged me to use it all night every night.

 

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