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11 "unanswerable" questions for atheists - answered (Aron Ra)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck Jun 6. 1 Reply

If you spend any time around YouTube and have any history of looking at atheist material (or even theist material!), you will inevitably run into: "XX Questions Atheists Can't Answer."  These are occasionally followed by: "XX Questions Atheists…Continue

Tags: apologist, answer, questions, unanswerable, Aron Ra

worshipping narcissists (qualiasoup & theramintrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jun 3. 1 Reply

They're all around us: people who perceive the world as revolving around them and will go to considerable lengths to make it so: narcissists.  Such beings have been with humanity, I suspect, since humanity emerged from the gene pool.  Even worse,…Continue

Tags: narcissist, QualiaSoup, TheraminTrees

Secular and Reclaimed Winter Holiday Songs

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Grinning Cat May 2. 42 Replies

This is an appropriate day of the year for this subject...What are some of your favorite winter holiday songs?It would be especially good to share powerful new secular lyrics to tunes that have become associated with Christmas.…Continue

Tags: singing, lyrics, reclaimed, reclaiming, HumanLight

appropriating morality (TheraminTrees)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo May 1. 7 Replies

We've all heard the claim: "Human morality comes from god."  And we've all seen for ourselves what Yahweh's "morality" looks like, from condemnations of homosexuality and the treatment of women as chattel to inexplicable sanctions against the eating…Continue

Tags: morality, appropriating, TheraminTrees

Bible Belt Atheist (New York Times)

Started by Loren Miller Apr 19. 0 Replies

The following showed up in my YouTube feed this morning, and I decided to have a look.  Turns out, the New York Times has given us a reasonably even-handed look at a good friend of ours, being one Jerry DeWitt, former bible-thumper and now a pretty…Continue

Tags: Bible Belt, atheist, Jerry DeWitt

How would you respond?

Started by Christina Scribner. Last reply by Christina Scribner Apr 10. 5 Replies

So, this morning, I was at my local coffee shop as I am most weekdays between bus runs. I do the editing on my husband's books so I had my laptop with me. My wallpaper is a picture I found online sometime back of a double helix with the word atheist…Continue

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Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on November 11, 2016 at 11:13pm

Sorry I've been absent. Got discouraged when replies I tried to post evaporated, sometimes because of a wrong keystroke on my part. Funny how that usually happens when a half hour's work is all ready for posting.

Frankly I'm in a funk, struggling to reorient myself and make sense of the world order. That election seemed to be a tipping point into my worst nightmare on so many levels.

I get requests for donations from The Southern Poverty Law Center, Nature Conservancy, and a gazillion other progressive organizations with 100% obsolete approaches. They pretend our representatives and senators will act on polite petitions which counter the interests of the corporate interests to whom they belong. They pretend we didn't just put a Neo-Nazi into power, dedicated to destroying renewable energy and all social progress since 1900. Bill McKibben still expects the Standing Rock protest will somehow succeed. It's as the left now inhabits a fact free bubble. I spend time reading opinions at Altenet, leaders I respect, etc. No coherent response has yet coalesced, from what I can tell. Yes we must organize better, resist. It's all wishy-washy.

Other news is bad for the climate, not only that the election will at least accelerate 1°C additional rise by 2100. Also we just learned that climate sensitivity is nonlinear. This video is dumbed down, the source article, Nonlinear climate sensitivity and its implications for future green..., is quite technical. It kind of says we could have 7°C rise by 2100, but Robert Scribbler thinks it only predicts 5°C rise. There's a wide margin of error, but the bottom line is (during the last 8 glacial cycles) climate sensitivity  got stronger when the planet warmed. And since it only takes 4°C rise to destroy civilization, 5°C rise in the next 85 years is horrific.

It's as if - within a few days -  the entire world shifted gears, the break pedal stopped working all together, and the steering wheel is shaking so much it'll wrench off as soon as 2017 begins.

This must be worse than what people in Germany went through in the first days after Hitler won, because it's not just world war and genocide at stake. It's the first downhill bump in the existential crisis rollercoaster.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 11, 2016 at 2:02pm

Oligarchs, get ready for the onslot; The dispossessed of the world, the hungry ones around the globe, the thirsty ones from high and low altitudes, could form a coalition of gigantic proportion and overcome the corrupt local, state and national governments, the one percenters, the corporations, not by violent means, but by nonviolent ones. 

Food: People, young and old, can grow their own food; 

Housing: People can build their own shelters; 

Education: Parents, Grandparents, teachers can teach;

Health care: Folk Medicine offers some viable options; 

Transportation: Walking may become an option; 

Work: Tasks performed to create goods and services closer to homes;

Governance: Smaller unites of neighborhoods, town, cities, grow;

Insurance: Neighbor helping neighbor. 

If we want to have any control over our lives, we have to make some basic changes in how we live, work, and play. Downsizing, learning new skills, taking the strings away from puppet-masters and take back control. 

I think the first thing we need to do is stop paying taxes, i.e The Trump Taxes Model; fill the prisons with tax evaders. There could be an assemblage of bright minds and strong backs to resist the TrumpTrends. 

Comment by Loren Miller on November 11, 2016 at 1:54pm

Wow, Ian!  This is a new quote to me and a damned good one at that.  Thank you for posting!

Comment by Ian Mason on November 11, 2016 at 1:48pm

Comment by Ian Mason on November 11, 2016 at 1:47pm

Joan, I have no idea how the native populations (or remnants thereof) are surviving in the U.S. The public image, such as it is seems to be a mixture of drink and casinos. It's painful to read your account of such inhumanity and degredation. I hope things improve soon.

Yes, joy can be cultivated inside and like a garden needs regular tending. That's something you're good at. You're also good at inspiring the rest of us to do the same. You must have been a great teacher.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 11, 2016 at 1:47pm

and drought. The desertification of the Earth appears before our eyes. 

Comment by Ian Mason on November 11, 2016 at 1:39pm

Daniel, you may be right. The current migration is a bit of an unknown quantity because headlines beat comparative statistics in the public consciousness, so I don't know if more people are on the move. Those that do move are driven by two things: poverty and war.

First: imagine how a family father feels when all of them work long hours in a death-trap of a shirt factory in Bangladesh and still can't afford schools and doctors. "To Hell with this, I'm going to where they wear the shirts" would be a reasonable reaction. Migration that's driven this way by poverty is not based on a wish to intergrate in a new homeland, it's basic survival instinct.

Second: the current situation in Syria is causing havoc. For the first three years there was a considerable UN relief effort in neighbouring countries but a couple of years ago donor nations cut their contributions. The result was that food rations to women and children in the refugee camps was reduced to 50% and men recieved nothing. Again, a recipe for trouble. People do whatever they need to to survive.

Short-sighted and exploitative policies by Western governments blow up with a bang. Of course, said governments do well out of it by playing "blame the foreigners" all the way to the polling stations.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 11, 2016 at 1:29pm

Ian, A great song and performer!"

Island, in the sun, willed to me by my father's hand."

Atheist Nexus feels like an island to me, willed to me by those who have a vision of life without superstition or myths.

 

Comment by Ian Mason on November 11, 2016 at 1:21pm
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 11, 2016 at 11:36am

Many times in my life I experienced the pain and humiliation of people displaced by war, poverty or drought.

The U.S. government took the Native Americans away from their ancient homelands where they evolved and developed farming techniques based on centuries of experience. The Army placed Natives on reservations where they had to learn different survival skills. They were forced to abandon their languages, many of them lost their children sent to schools to "civilize" them to customs of the European heritages. Many Natives lacked the training to accommodate to reservation life, becoming dependent on the government for food and shelter.
Or, think of the refugees who fled tyranny, poverty, or drought in their ancient homelands and came to the U.S. looking for opportunity. Many worked for wages far below the poverty line while employers exploited and manipulated them.
I could offer other examples, but I think you get my meaning.
I taught classes on the reservations of Eastern Washington State through my job at the Community College. I began each new series with a review of what skills they brought from their native lifestyle that helped them cope with change. The Natives of Eastern Washington were from migratory people who followed the food supply from the bitterly cold northern climates to warmer lush mountains and valleys further south. They learned to trade with other tribes, develop intertribal protocols, and battled with those they considered enemies. The U.S. government rounded up those migratory people, like cattle, and placed them on reservations where they did not know how to grow sustainable crops or how to preserve food for sustenance through the raw cold of northern climates. Their mobile homes, teepees, offered little protection from harsh conditions. Their poorly insulated homes proved to be inadequate.
I asked these reservation Natives about the sudden changes in their lifestyles and the attitudes and skills they had to learn to survive. What attitudes and behaviors moved them forward and what held them back? What served them well; what hindered them?
These were independent, self-reliant, skilled nomads who lost their lifestyle; they lost control of their conditions ?
What knowledge do they have that they could teach us? At the time, I didn't know about the coming climate change, or the imminent collapse of capitalism and financial domains. Do we submit to authoritarianism? Do we lose our sense of self?
How does one retain a feeling of self-respect and dignity in the face of totalitarianism? Where does one find fulfillment in a culture that believes things superstitious? What inner strength does one have that can empower and enrich one's life?
Well, now, here is the good news, we have what it takes to not only survive, but thrive in a hostile environment, just as those Spokane and Colville tribes have. We still have our minds, bodies, and inner-beings that can not only face, but prevail in these hard times.
From where does joy come? Each finds joy in his and her way. Feelings of self-respect, dignity, pride, and self-worth come from internal power, not external. The refusal to give up these attributes is what I learned from the Natives in my classes. These are what we need to meet current challenges.

 

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