Justice For All

Atheists have our own ideas about what is just and what is unjust.  This group will explore the elusive concept of justice.  Topics include racial injustice, death penalty, imprisonment, crime, and other aspects of justice in modern society and in history.  Without gods, what is the basis for justice?  What do humanists and others say about justice?  What do you think about current controversies and cases regarding justice or injustice?

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Latest Activity: Dec 11, 2016


Troy Davis's photo was chosen as this original icon for this group.  Davis symbolized inequality of justice in the US.  At the time of his execution, 9/21/11, the evidence supporting his conviction was flimsy.  There was known evidence supporting his innocence.  He was executed anyway. Since then the icon is changed to represent justice in general.


There are different nontheist points of view about justice, punishment, penalties, death penalty.   There is strong support for retribution and execution in the theist community (in the US).


What serves as "justice" is not distributed evenly across communities.  The most egregious injustice has strong racial overtones.  If you would like to read about, and discuss justice, what it is, who gets justice, and who doesn't, and stories relevant to this topic, please join and contribute to the discussions.


Resources  factsheet.  main page  executed possibly innocent

amnestyUSA death penalty information

death row population (CNN)  sept 2011.

innocence project.  The innocent and the death penalty.

innocence project Wikipedia discussion

California innocence project

Chicago innocence project

Georgia innocence project


Discussion Forum

Discovery Process Hurts You

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by tom sarbeck Dec 11, 2016. 1 Reply

Private Prisons Evade Taxes

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 26, 2016. 0 Replies

Debtors Prison for Kids

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 23, 2016. 7 Replies

Your DNA could be found on a weapon you never touched

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Nov 4, 2015. 7 Replies

Climate Change hinders prison reform in CA

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Donald R Barbera Oct 22, 2015. 1 Reply

In the US, victims pay corporate criminals through taxes

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Oct 15, 2015. 2 Replies

Justice for the elderly - hah

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Apr 19, 2015. 0 Replies

On Burying the Torture Report

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Daniel W Dec 9, 2014. 3 Replies

Black Panic

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by kathy: ky Sep 4, 2014. 7 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on January 27, 2015 at 8:44pm

Record number of exonerations in 2014.

"A record 125 defendants falsely convicted of crimes were exonerated in 2014, according to a report from the National Registry of Exonerations at the University of Michigan Law School. The figure represents a one-third increase in exonerations from 2012."

Major roles for Texas, and drug arrests.  "False guilty pleas were not limited to Harris County. In all, 38 percent of the defendants exonerated in 2014 had pled guilty to crimes they had not committed. The vast majority of them had been accused of drug charges."

"A bigger factor in the rising number of exonerations, writes Gross, is the expanding number of Conviction Integrity Units (CIUs) cropping up in district attorneys’ offices. CIUs are groups of prosecutors that review old convictions to determine whether the convicted party should be exonerated."

Our country's justice system is a mess.  I'm glad there are people holding them accountable.  Somewhat.

Comment by Daniel W on October 30, 2014 at 8:46pm

Autopsy Finds Black Man Killed By Utah Cops Was Shot 6 Times In The...

This is a pattern so repetitious, it's like saying "News reports claim the sun rose this morning".  Somewhere, I read that there is a banality to evil, or is it there is evil to banality.  The one good thing - there is not good thing, but saying it anyway, is that the more these reports are described and disseminated, the more everyone is aware that racism is not dead and especially for young black men, racism is lethal.

Autopsy Finds Black Man Killed By Utah Cops Was Shot 6 Times In The Back .

OK, he was dressed as a cartoon ninja-type character, and was carrying a fake sword.  In a state with and open carry law for guns, but apparently not for fake swords.  I can see how he would be a threat for walking - or maybe, running -  away from a cop.  (sarcasm), and therefore deserving of extrajudicial execution.

"Friends at his funeral called Hunt artistic, shy, and gentle."

Sorry...  This is one of the handful of things that leaves me feeling really angry, helpless to do anything, and not knowing how to handle.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 11, 2014 at 12:56pm

Daniel, it is wonderful to have you back on line. Your posts always contain something of substance or a laugh, sometimes both. I hope you are feeling better. I would very much like to learn of your mental and physical well being. Something like the "Participant Observer" telling of how you are doing. Don't spare the details. I know. Those things should be private ... we are family here and care a great deal about you and each other. 

Just don't do it if you don't want to. That is your right. And I am into rights just now. 

Comment by Daniel W on October 11, 2014 at 10:27am

Yet another one.  I am frustrated that, even in the internet age when everything seems to be everywhere, these terrible events happen.

""He was unarmed. He had a sandwich in his hand, and they thought it was a gun. It’s like Michael Brown all over again.

I don't know what to think or do.  At my workplace, we have a "voluntary" - but pressured - community giving campaign.  We do have the option of selecting where the money goes.  Mine went to the Urban League.  I don't know if that helps.  I wonder if there would be something else - can an older white man do anything about these violent expressions of racism?  Or has it moved to a younger generation, and up to them?

Comment by Daniel W on August 30, 2014 at 5:15pm

I dont want to look obsessed with this topic - justice is important in many ways, and injustices happen all of the time.  But this really gets to me.  It pisses me off, and makes me feel ashamed, and embarrassed, even though I have nothing to do with it.


Man arrested for sitting on sitting bench while black.  This is an older event, from earlier this year, in Minnesota. 



As the article states, "In Minnesota, pedestrians aren't required to identify themselves to police unless a law enforcement officer has an articulable, reasonable suspicion of illegal activity." Listening to the audio, and noting that he was ultimately released - after going through this ordeal - that sounds correct.
Comment by Donald R Barbera on August 22, 2014 at 9:37am

Flying Atheist--It is because "Turks" is an actual news organization. Most people don't realize that network news is classified as entertainment and tht's exactly what it is. 

Comment by Donald R Barbera on August 22, 2014 at 9:25am

I wasn't going to comment, but this is one of those things that really pisses me off. Am I surprised? No. From the California law enforcement officials. Especially no. They choose anyone that is not white as their targets I once said, but I have white and Asian friends who have had a taste of violence at the hands of the California law enforcement agents. It seems that jackbooted thugs are willingly accepted as hiring material. Too bad. There are thousands of CA law officers that are just plain old protectors and servers, but they are tainted by the smell of racism, homophobia and fascism from a relatively few idiots. Of course, LA is known for its mistreatment of just about anyone. They should be investigated--again. 

Comment by Daniel W on August 20, 2014 at 9:42pm
It plays into the right wing mentality: us/them, "you are not us", narcissism. zenophobia, entitlement, judgement, racism. I think of this as one of humanism's great challenges. and it just plain pisses me off.
Comment by The Flying Atheist on August 20, 2014 at 7:53pm

How come The Young Turks and the few others like them in the media seem to make so much sense when discussing these issues, but the right wing just doesn't understand common sense and logic?  It defies explanation......

Comment by Daniel W on August 20, 2014 at 7:28pm

video regarding story posted below.


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