Politics, Economics, and Religion


Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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TPP - what's been leaked

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Nov 6. 6 Replies

Public Citizen warns of known dangers hidden in the Trans Pacific Partnership. Even with the extreme secrecy, we know enough, due to partial leaks of the secret text, to be very afraid. For instance, we know the TPP would:Lower U.S. wages by…Continue

Tags: corporate tribunals, overcharging for medication, outsourcing US jobs, food and safety threats, TPP

Kevin Kruse on How Corporate America Created Christian America (YouTube)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Joan Denoo Oct 23. 8 Replies

It isn't very often that something goes upside my head with the kind of impact that happened yesterday afternoon, when the 38th Annual Convention of the Freedom From Religion Foundation had as one of its guest speakers Kevin M. Kruse.  Mr. Kruse is…Continue

Tags: One Nation Under God, Kevin Kruse

Presidential election - last time around Michelle Obama said : "The truth matters." Republicans are laughing all the way to the bank at the quaintness of such a naive thought.

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 24. 23 Replies

Ben Carson: Big Bang A Fairy Tale, Theory Of Evolution Encouraged By The DevilIt's nice that the Republicans have Dr.(!) Ben Carson as their house n-word. He's cute, articulate, humble and smooth, and his speech patterns are oh, so laid back and…Continue

Tags: Carson, creationism, evolution, primary, election

A View of Islam from Muhammad Syed: Ex-Muslim

Started by Loren Miller Sep 23. 0 Replies

There is a great deal of discussion that goes on about Muslims and Islam in the US which comes from people who are not, themselves, directly connected with either the people or the religion.  Muhammad Syed, president of Ex-Muslims of North America,…Continue

Tags: Muslims, Seth Andrews, ISIS, Islam, Muhammad Syed

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Comment by tom sarbeck on June 8, 2014 at 10:48pm

Much depends on definitions, so until someone demands different definitions, my anger-driven radical is further to the left and my fear-driven reactionary is further to the right.

Which costs more lives, "sustainable" or "self-extermination"?

I see an imbalance there. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 8, 2014 at 10:13pm

Where does radical fit in your dimension? I'm a bit left of progressive, as I think the entire economic/political system needs a drastic overhaul if we're to achieve sustainability instead of self-extermination.

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 8, 2014 at 9:29pm

       ...liberals tend to be socially progressive and fiscally conservative.

That would be clearer, if more complicated, as

... liberals tend to be socially progressive relative to conservatives and fiscally conservative relative to progressives.


progressives - - - - - liberals - - - - - conservatives

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 8, 2014 at 4:20pm

Sentient Biped, I get more upset about corporations and the wealthy using tricks to avoid taxes. I absolutely loathe taxes being used "to enrich cronies and military - corporate - investor complex" too. I guess our common ground is honesty in government and accountability to ordinary people. Right now politicians don't listen to regular voters at all, just big campaign donors.

Comment by Daniel W on June 8, 2014 at 1:32pm

I had a difficult time deciding whether I am fiscally conservative or not.  I don't like to think I belong to a particular catgory, buty if the shoe fits.... 

Much of my financial philosophy comes from experience.  Through much of my education, I saw administrators raising tuition, and professors demanding expensive texts or other devices, with the disingenuous claim "You will make much more money in the future as a result". Which for many was not true at all.  It's a bit analogous to the government, taking away hard earned savings of ordinary people and going into debt, to enrich cronies and military - corporate - investor complex by going into debt and creating misadventures abroad.

Wikipedia def of fiscal conservative "Fiscal conservatism is a politicoeconomic philosophy with regards towards fiscal policy and the advocating of fiscal responsibility."  I don't know about the details, but that describes aat least come of what I think.  The Reaganites were not fiscal conservatives - they created more debt, made the country into a debtor nation, and created transfer of resources from ordinary people to robber barons.

I do accept there are times when gov't must tax in order to obtain resources required for security, prevent invasion, protect people, or create important infrastructure.  Those funds should come from honest taxation, not the sneaky taxation and shell games of pretending it results in a better tomorrow for all, when in reality it results in more wealth for the 1%.

I am no economist, so what do I know.

I suspect anyone would fine be very very socially progressive, but with some precautions thrown in.  For example, I'm all for education for all - which is not our current system - but there should be accountability, so academic admin doesn't just squander the efforts, trust, and financial futures, of the students and their families.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 8, 2014 at 12:42pm

I don't think liberals are fiscal conservatives. We tend to fund education, medical care, infrastructure maintenance, social security, etc.

One of the familiar slogans associated with fiscal conservatism since the Reagan years is "starve the beast," a phrase which suggests a policy approach of limiting the size of government by limiting appropriations for government programs. The assumptions underlying are that that government is less capable than businesses and individuals in spending money. [wikipedia]
Comment by tom sarbeck on June 8, 2014 at 2:23am


About all I can say that I didn't say in your Evolution of political difference thread is that liberals tend to be socially progressive and fiscally conservative.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 7, 2014 at 9:51pm

Gladstone's lines sound right, Tom. But I don't understand what you mean by

...in San Francisco:

Progressivism is anger at liberals for their prudence.

For prudence, read fiscal conservatism.

Great cartoon, Loren!

Sentient Biped, the USDA's regulatory capture sickens me, mentally and possibly literally. Chicken makes up half of my protein.

Your wisdom is right on target, as always, Joan.

Comment by tom sarbeck on May 20, 2014 at 3:06am

Loren, your Gladstone quote helps me answer Ruth's post (in a thread about political evolution) saying she thought America's liberals and progressives are the same people.

First, though, I read a lot of pre-1688 English political history and can  say with confidence that centuries of conflict between Parliament (the Commons, not the Lords) and monarchs ended when William and Mary agreed to a largely advisory role.

I read too little of post-1688 English history to identify Gladstone as Liberal or Conservative. His describing Conservatives as fearful and Liberals as prudent tells me he was a Liberal.

Keeping in mind that the words Conservative and Liberal identify that nation's political parties, and the words Republican and Democrat identify ours, swapping Gladstone's two lines helps me answer Ruth.

In England:

Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear.

Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence.

In America, or at least in San Francisco:

Progressivism is anger at liberals for their prudence.

For prudence, read fiscal conservatism.

Comment by Loren Miller on May 19, 2014 at 5:01pm

Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear.
-- William E. Gladstone, 1866


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