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Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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The Corporate Power Deadlock and Anthropogenic Climate Disruption

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 21. 0 Replies

Will Denayer's article thrusts us into startling clarity, by summing up our climate/economic/political situation.How climate change…Continue

Tags: fossil fuel corporations deadlock on governments, climate model failures, Anthropogenic Climate Disruption

Pew: Nonbelievers Make Up Largest "Religious" Bloc (Washington Post)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Plinius Jul 17. 18 Replies

The title rather says it all.  Nevertheless, details matter.  Here's the story from this morning's Plain Dealer (16 July, 2016):…Continue

Tags: plurality, nones, Pew, religious

I have a theory

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Jul 16. 1 Reply

I have a theory and I have had it for a long time. It started when I realized that religion was nothing more than myths and fables turned into sacraments and scriptures, that they were created by human beings, and they did not tell the truth. From…Continue

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Comment by tom sarbeck on June 21, 2015 at 6:56pm

Which initiative, sk8eycat?

There were four in all, two each year.

In each of those two years, I was one of hundreds of voters who gathered voters' signatures to put an initiative on the ballot that would amend the Government Code to take out the bribery and extortion that legislators can do.

In each of those two years, the legislature put an initiative on the ballot that would enact a few reforms but let them continue the bribery and extortion.

In each of those two years, voters wanted reform and passed both initiatives. Enough voters still trusted the legislature and its initiatives got a few more votes than our initiatives. And so, the legislators continued the bribery and extortion.

We decided that if they would not change their practices we would change their faces.

And so our third initiative called for term limits. It's a simple idea and the legislature was unable to confuse voters with another initiative.  

We knew term limits was not the best idea, but the legislature twice screwed us. They earned term limits.

Those who want to stay in government for more than two terms now have to persuade different sets of voters to elect them.

 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 21, 2015 at 2:36pm

sk8eycat, I agree with you about Bernie's Israel stance.

Alan, I think you preference for less government is doomed. Climate Destabilization will probably force the world to experiment with global government out of desperation. Climate negotiations among nations is classic tragedy of the commons.

On another note:

Comment by sk8eycat on June 21, 2015 at 10:24am

That's what I mean.  They go from the Assembly to the state Senate, and back and forth to whatever other elective, or appointed job they can get.

I knew that effing initiative was an unfunny joke when it was first proposed, and campaigned against it.  Loudly.  It's a stupid idea.

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 21, 2015 at 3:47am

sk8eycat, term limits suck for at least two reasons. They take power from legislators and give it to bureaucrats. They end the terms of both honest legislators and dishonest legislators.

Many Californians wanted to take the bribery and extortion out of campaign financing and TWICE put propositions on the ballot that, if the voters approved them, would do that.

Both times, the legislature screwed all Californians. Do you know how they did it? Do you want to know?

The reformers, not wanting the legislature to screw voters a third time, put the easier-to-understand term limits on the ballot and they passed.

The California legislature earned term limits.

Comment by sk8eycat on June 21, 2015 at 12:59am

Term Limits: "Musical Chairs" for politicians. 

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 20, 2015 at 11:49pm

Alan, your list of solutions looks like that of a Libertarian.

sk8eycat, why in your opinion do term limits suck?

The legislature twice interfered with attempts by voters to reform campaign funding via initiatives. It earned the less desirable term limits.

Comment by Alan Perlman on June 20, 2015 at 3:00pm

Thanks, Ruth.  Candidates will make their message bland and promise all kinds of govt. goodies.  It'll be as exciting as a Student Council election.

Comment by sk8eycat on June 20, 2015 at 2:48pm

Ruth, I signed the petition yesterday.  My only problem with Bernie is his extreme support of Israel.  They can stand on their own feet now, and give the "settlements they have stolen back to to the Palestinians.
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We've had term limits in CA-CA for decades.  They suck.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 20, 2015 at 1:14pm

Alan, I agree with your assessment. 

Comment by Alan Perlman on June 20, 2015 at 12:44pm

Bernie is great theater, tremendous energy, and his critique of elitism and injustice are right on.  The solution is not more government, not to become like Sweden  It is to make government LESS intrusive and expensive, to restore the liberty that was promised to us in blood and treasure.  Bernie's a Democrat.  We don't need that. We need a President with the courage to phase out unconstitutional government activities, dramatically reduce the size of our empire, stop subsidizing people, including big companies, who have no right to your money, end the hideous drug war, and institute Congressional term limits.  I don't care what the party label is.

Hillary sickens me.  Trump scares me.  

 

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