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Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Same Sex Marriage

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In Australia, we are currently voting on the question of same sex marriage (yes, we are a little behind the rest of the modern world). The reason I raise it on this forum is because this political/ethical question is typically divided along…Continue

The Profit Motive and the Election Motive Intersect.

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Who has not heard the term 'profit motive'?'Election motive' may be a neologism, a newly-coined word.The former moves capitalists; the latter moves politicians.The SCOTUS in the 1970s held that money is speech. In 2010 SCOTUS held that corporations…Continue

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Tax Cuts for the Rich Help the Rich, Not You

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Sep 14. 3 Replies

Tax Cuts for the Rich Help the Rich, Not You"Big money will pull out all the stops to sell you a tax plan that exclusively benefits the wealthy. Don’t buy…Continue

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Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 20, 2017 at 6:04pm

[Dale Berran]

4chan: The Skeleton Key to the Rise of Trump
Trump’s younger supporters know he’s an incompetent joke; in fact, that’s why they support him.

. . . Thus these Trump supporters hold a different sort of ideology, not one of “when will my horse come in”, but a trolling self-effacing, “I know my horse will never come in”. That is to say, younger Trump supporters know they are handing their money to someone who will never place their bets — only his own — because, after all, it’s plain as day there was never any other option.
In this sense, Trump’s incompetent, variable, and ridiculous behavior is the central pillar upon which his younger support rests.
Such an idea — one of utter contemptuous despair — is embodied in one image more than any other, one storied personage who has become a(n) hero to millions, the voice of a generation.

. . . It is, in other words, a value system, one reveling in deplorableness and being pridefully dispossessed. It is a culture of hopelessness, of knowing “the system is rigged”. But instead of fight the response is flight, knowing you’re trapped in your circumstances is cause to celebrate. For these young men, voting Trump is not a solution, but a new spiteful prank.

. . . the left should stop expecting Trump’s supporters to be upset when he doesn’t fulfill his promises.
Support for Trump is an acknowledgement that the promise is empty.
He is both the “promise” (the labyrinth”, the “alpha”) and the empty center (“the promise betrayed”, the “beta”), in a sublime, hilarious, combination that perfectly reflects the worldview of his supporters.

. . . In other words, we can append a third category to the two classically understood division of Trump supporters:
1) Generally older people who naively believe Trump will “make America great again”, that is to say, return it to its 1950s ideal evoked by both Trump and Clinton.
2) The 1 percent, who know this promise is empty, but also know it will be beneficial to short term business interests.
3) Younger members of the 99 percent, like Anon, who also know this promise is empty, but who support Trump as a defiant expression of despair.

Comment by Loren Miller on February 20, 2017 at 4:41pm

Good stuff, GC, and on the mark in all cases!

Comment by Grinning Cat on February 20, 2017 at 3:41pm

Mike Pence: “My most important job as vice president is to be ready at a moment’s notice to step in and be just as horrible as Trump.” (Comment from tiny cartoonist in the corner: “You bring some of your own special talents.”)

Comment by Grinning Cat on February 20, 2017 at 3:39pm

Donald Trump on the phone, hearing, “Sir, Gen. Flynn discussed sanctions with Russia and then lied about it!” Trump sits impassive, silent, for five more frames. Another phone call: “Sir, the press is reporting Gen. Flynn discussed sanctions with Russia and then lied about it!” Trump’s immediate reply: “That’s terrible! Untenable! Sad! Fire the press!”(click to embiggen -- not that 45*'s ego needs to get any bigger!!!)

Comment by Grinning Cat on February 20, 2017 at 3:35pm

Upper facade of the White House, with a speech balloon, 'LIE' in giant letters. The L is made of many copies of 'WE', the I is made of many copies of 'CAN', and the E is made of many copies of 'EXPLAIN'. 'WE CAN EXPLAIN' forms the 'LIE'.

Comment by Daniel W on February 18, 2017 at 7:33pm

here here!

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 18, 2017 at 7:26pm

Grinning Cat, Another excellent cartoon, thanks. 

Ruth, outstanding cartoons, thanks. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on February 18, 2017 at 7:24pm

Bertold, thanks for the excellent article from The Daily Beast. 

Loren, thanks for the funny and true video by Bill Maher. 

Comment by Loren Miller on February 18, 2017 at 1:19pm

Bill Maher makes a remarkable and highly observant "New Rule" about that little (R) after some people's names in government:

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on February 18, 2017 at 12:33pm

Very thoughtful article - Daily Beast (my emphases)

One of the first priorities of demagoguery is the fostering of ignorance. Lies require collaboration from those who are being lied to, and for a propaganda machine to be effective it needs a special kind of public ignorance.

. . . The Trump White House is demonstrating in its own innovative ways just how far habitual lying can clear the way for the triumph of ideology over truth. This can’t be simplified by charging Trump himself with being a pathological liar. His administration has invented a new and distinctly American propaganda machine that is built on lies. But not enough attention has been given to its willing partner in this exercise: a carefully nurtured kind of public ignorance that it can exploit.

. . . But in the context of the Age of Trump, ignorance is not actually a pejorative term, it’s a description of a set of beliefs in which knowledge and truth are less persuasive than prejudice and fear.

This process began long before Trump decided to run. Years of talk radio diatribes fueled by Obama-phobia and Fox News harangues prepared the soil and then Breitbart, the alt-right, and fake news softened it further. Trump understood this better than anyone and harvested its fruits.

. . . This is not the ignorance of unlearned knowledge—it’s more potent than that. It’s a tutored ignorance, and in its most basic form it’s anti-scientific.
And that is why the present and future influence of Vice President Mike Pence needs to get close attention.

. . . This movement may sail under religious colors but its agenda reflects the way that religion has become a euphemism for atavism. Buried within the code of “Make America Great Again” there was always the promise of restoring a repressive social order.

. . . Trump’s White House may be in chaos but that chaos hides the long game that Pence has the patience and guile to pursue. The continuing barrage of propaganda and outrageous lies still finds a ready audience among his constituency, where the mainstream media has no credibility. Consensual ignorance provides its own extensive comfort zone where yesterday has a lot more to recommend it than tomorrow.

. . . In fact, the bedrock beneath this process was much older and a uniquely American phenomenon, a widespread consensual ignorance. There is a strain of dogmatic religious activism here that does not exist to anything like the same extent in other advanced democracies. It uses religion—or misuses religion—to resist or rollback changes in social behavior and to suggest who the alien “other” should be.

 
 
 

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