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Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Your private internet history up for sale, thanks to Republicans? Being considered by House *tonight*

Started by Grinning Cat 2 hours ago. 0 Replies

The U.S. House of Representatives will be considering S.J.Res. 34, a bill to repeal the FCC's protections for internet privacy, as early as tonight.The bill, passed by…Continue

Tags: FTC, Republicans, Congress, FCC, browsing history

The phony "freedoms" Republicans promise

Started by Grinning Cat. Last reply by Grinning Cat Mar 20. 5 Replies

That's the title of Neil Buchanan's article in Newsweek (complete with irrelevant autoplaying video), reprinted from Justia's Verdict site where it has the title "…Continue

Tags: minimum wage, anti-abortion, anti-choice, scams, civil rights

Economics and Community values as to real estate owned by religious groups

Started by jlaz. Last reply by jlaz Mar 20. 6 Replies

I've been wondering off and on for a long time as to two inter-related (as I see it) issues: 1) evolving how people find community interaction when they want it. 2) real estate values of Churches and similar. 1) So, what I mean by the first is…Continue

California Deregulation as Foreshadow

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Mar 8. 0 Replies

How the Energy Boys Fucked Over CaliforniaEven partial deregulation of the electricity market was a nightmare for California.In 2000 and…Continue

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Comment by Joan Denoo on August 25, 2016 at 12:45am

Daniel, you experienced Gillette's comments very differently than I. 

I always write my responses before I read the others' and then read what others write. Sometimes I change my mind and make adjustments in what I publish. I enjoy when differences of opinions come up. In this case, I stand by my enthusiasm for the article and welcome any comments anyone has. 

Comment by Joseph P on August 25, 2016 at 12:40am

I consider the anarcho-capitalist libertarians to essentially be fundamentalists in their political positions.

There's no nuance.  No attempt to construct a society and political system that will benefit the most people of that society.  There's only the absolutes of a set of dogmatic positions.

One of the guys in my unit, in MechWarrior Online, is a Trump supporter.  I think he's pretty much the only one, in my unit of 75 people.

This guy cites Trump's position on immigration as his primary talking point.  Never mind how evil and inhumane Trump's rhetoric on the subject is.  This guy takes it to a much more simplistic level.

"Do you think we should enforce all of our laws?"

So, according to him, anyone who is in the country illegally should be prosecuted as a criminal, never mind if they've been upstanding members of society and have children who are citizens.

So, do you think that the police should ticket every single person who goes over the speed limit by 1 MPH?  Do you think that judges should have discretion in the prosecution of certain crimes, based upon extenuating circumstances?

More to the point, are we capable of enforcing a law, fairly and evenly, across the board?  Can we even make a start of the job?  If not, then it shows that there's something wrong with our laws.

But no, this guy has to have black and white enforcement of our laws, with no exceptions or consideration for extenuating circumstances.  That's evil, impractical, and insane.

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 25, 2016 at 12:37am

Joseph, to whom do you refer when you write, "It's particularly a problem coming from someone with as much money as he has"?

Are you saying that Gillette has lost touch with the "middle class and poor"?

I think I understand what you mean when you talk about civil liberties although I am not as kind and generous about a bright girl choosing to flip burgers and have babies. I know what kind of hole that is and how hard it is to get out of it.

How is that a bizarre example of poor people? To me, that is a perfect example of how people make choices that lead to no future and a lot of avoidable grief.  Since when is it a responsible thing for a young man or woman to avoid developing a trade or profession that will support him or her and any children he or she may create?

I am not so generous about giving support for individuals who choose a poverty lifestyle when they have the capacity to carry their load. I don't want to work to enable someone else to choose poverty.

While I want people to be self-sufficient, I know there are some who do not have the ability to provide for themselves and their children. I want to help in ways that do not enable them not to work. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 25, 2016 at 12:11am

Tom, I wouldn't put Gillette and Rand on the same planet, let alone the same political philosophy. When I read your comment, I kind of flinched.

Yes, I suppose they do share a philosophy. To me, Gillette has more "heart".  

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 25, 2016 at 12:06am

Spud,  a great video! I like the way Penn sorts out the issues, looks at each candidate, and I especially like his emphasis on a discussion about what we want our country to do.  

I also like the way he formulated his ideas on Trump, Clinton, Sanders, Johnson, Libertarianism, and government; I like the way he framed issues of taxes, welfare, sex, and weed. 

Thanks for sharing the excellent video.

Comment by Daniel W on August 24, 2016 at 10:12pm

The Penn Jillette video makes no sense to me.  It's so vague and filled with artificial scenarios.  I can't listen to a monologue that long, quit at 9 minutes.

Comment by Joseph P on August 24, 2016 at 8:47pm

It's particularly a problem coming from someone with as much money as he has.  I think that people like him have completely lost touch with the middle class and the poor.  I'm with them on the civil-liberties side of things, but on governmental social programs and societal well-being, they just don't get it.

His example of the girl who chooses pregnancy and McDonald's over going to Stamford is particularly galling.  Those are exactly the sorts of bizarre examples that they use to represent everyone who is poor.

Comment by tom sarbeck on August 24, 2016 at 7:41pm

Is Penn Jillette's Libertarianism less sociopathic than Ayn Rand's?

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 24, 2016 at 3:44pm

Comment by Grinning Cat on August 24, 2016 at 3:14am

Yet another cartoon nightmare scenario about the Orange One as president, considering two "presidential" (not!) options...

President Donald Trump, eyeing the two red buttons on his Oval Office desk, a shocked general looking on. The buttons are labeled 'TWEET' and 'NUKE'.

 
 
 

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