Politics, Economics, and Religion


Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Reps. Huffman, Raskin, McNerney, & Kildee Launch Congressional Freethought Caucus (Congressman Jared Huffman)

Started by Loren Miller May 7. 0 Replies

Washington, D.C.- Representatives Jared Huffman (D-CA), Jamie Raskin (D-MD), Jerry McNerney (D-CA), and Dan Kildee (D-MI) announced the launch of the Congressional Freethought Caucus to promote sound public policy based on reason, science, and moral…Continue

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James Howard Kunstler: The Coming Economy Of "Less"

Started by Joan Denoo Mar 23. 0 Replies

James Howard Kunstler: The Coming Economy Of "Less"3:40 "I think what is really going on, what's sort of behind the insanity of this, is the very…Continue

Tags: rational, analysis, herd-emotion, mendacity, America

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Comment by Grinning Cat on March 20, 2017 at 3:23pm

Take my $1.37 - I want my PBS. (etc.) Found on Twitter via Steve Silberman; similar quotes are all over Facebook, Tumblr, etc.

Take my $1.37… I want my PBS. Take my $.46… I am all for federal funding of art programs. Take my $.46… I love my museums, colleges, and libraries. Take my $.11… I support developing minority businesses. Take my $.66… I am for entrepreneurship and innovation. Take my $1.60… I want us to export more goods overseas. Take my $0.43… I would like to see more American manufacturing. Take my $0.88… I think community policing needs vast improvement. Take my $1.48… I support programs for women. Take my $1.55… I believe in due process for all. Take my $0.48… We need a civil rights division in the justice department. Take my $0.38… I think we need to defend our Mother Earth. Take my $0.03… I know more work needs to be done for climate change. Take my $8.95… because we need more sustainable energy. Take my $2.71… we should reduce our carbon footprint. If saving these programs means I’m out $22.36 a year, I’m good. Now give me back the $575 I pay to keep the war machine running and the $368 I pay in corporate welfare to Big Oil and Walmart.(click to enlarge; copy and paste into Notepad, etc. to get plain text)

Comment by Joseph P on March 17, 2017 at 11:15pm

Joseph, clearly, I don't have a clue about this technical age and all the protocols. However, if there is a dispute, as there seems to be in this case, of public VPN or VPN, what are the pros and cons of each side? Or, am I assuming there are sides where none exist?

A VPN (virtual private network) is just a security protocol that enables a secure connection between your computer and some other point on the internet.  A VPN is encryption-based, so that the information cannot be read by anyone who intercepts the information along the way.

Try to visualize it this way.  Imagine a rubber tube going through the vastly larger pipe that is the data-channels of the internet, finally ending at a VPN server.  Effectively, since the information that you send a receive is going from your computer to the VPN server through that rubber tube, everything else on the internet thinks that you're actually where that VPN server is.  Without a VPN, the information that you send and receive just emerges from your modem onto the internet, and everyone can see where you are.

Say you want to watch one of the BBC channels online.  Those are available for free, inside of Great Britain.  So, what you can do is connect to a VPN server in Great Britain, then connect to the BBC website through that.  The BBC website thinks that you're coming from inside of Great Britain, so it lets you stream the channels.

In the corporate world, VPNs allow people to work from home and get access to things as if they were sitting in the office.  Since they have the rubber tube going from their home to the server in the office, they can get access to important documents that they need to do work, without running the risk of those documents being stolen.

I'm not sure what sort of dispute you're thinking of.  VPN software is just a thing.  I think Loren was mostly just talking about people trying to ban VPN programs because of the way that supposedly anti-regulation Republicans like to impose horrific restrictions on the common people for the benefit of their corporate masters.  Republicans often try to do that, imposing silly restrictions on things that they don't understand, because they don't like those things.  They seem to do that more then the Democrats do, lately, at any rate.

It couldn't actually work.  VPN software is so integral to the functioning of the internet that if congress tried to ban it, they ... well ... couldn't.  You could outlaw the use of it by anyone who didn't have a corporate need for it ... because corporate networks can't function as needed without them.

I'm sure you can come up with enough reasons why that sort of selective banning just wouldn't work.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 16, 2017 at 10:45pm

Gary, the name, Kenneth Boulding, rises out of my long ago studies. 

I learned of General Systems Theory at Whitworth Collge (now University) and developed a framework to understand ideas and communicate them with others. Whether economics, politics, religion or lack of it, or psychology, or sociology, by creating a frame upon which to build ideas and transmit them to others or receive information from others' ideas we can grow in knowledge and understanding. It requires interdisciplinary thinking.  

His wife, Elise M. Boulding, was a sociologist, and contributor to creating the academic discipline of Peace and Conflict Studies. Her Building a Culture of Peace: Some Priorities rang bells for me. 

"Back in the 1960s we were beginning to uncover data that showed the amount of the basic work of the planet that was being done by women. Eighty percent of the farming was being done by women and anything that had to do with protecting the environment: the forests, the waters—you name it—much of our research showed that it was women who did it. "

"it was women who managed that kind of diplomacy that would keep groups from fighting each other too much."

Oh! Elise, whatever happened to our nation and to the Earth? We didn't listen to you and your husband.  

Those of us who read your ideas created an image of a preferred world, one in which each person mattered, all contributed something to the group, and everyone was fed, housed, had health care and had access to education. 

A dream deferred ...



Comment by Joan Denoo on March 16, 2017 at 9:49pm

Joseph, clearly, I don't have a clue about this technical age and all the protocols. However, if there is a dispute, as there seems to be in this case, of public VPN or VPN, what are the pros and cons of each side? Or, am I assuming there are sides where none exist? 

Comment by Gary S on March 16, 2017 at 8:34pm

I should have also added this quote from an Economist:

Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. - Kenneth Boulding

Comment by Gary S on March 16, 2017 at 8:29pm

I have liked this quote from Chris Hedges for a while: "Trump is emblematic of what anthropologists call 'crisis cults.' A society in terminal decline often retreats into magical thinking."

Comment by Joseph P on March 16, 2017 at 6:47pm

Err, I'm not sure what you mean about what to support.  Do you mean something in regards to the VPN stuff?  They're just tools to make use of as you see fit, not something you need to ... support.  Could you try to specify what sort of information you're looking for?  I'm not following you.

As for the article ... strangely, he might soon actually be successful in his businesses, if you change your definition of success a bit.  As the president, he can strong-arm other countries into pumping money into his various properties, making them far more profitable than they would naturally be.

The bribes from Russia will also add up, if they haven't already.  Putin's theft of much of the Russian national economy served as a great vision for Trump, after all.  You heard the way that Trump spoke of Putin, during the election.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 16, 2017 at 1:47pm

@Joseph & @Loren, do you have recommendations of what needs to happen? What should I support, and not?

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 16, 2017 at 1:42pm

Disciples of a False Prophet

Trump, the con-man, revealed as a liar, and exploiter, as a thief of working people's time and effort, becomes known to more of the faithful followers of his carnival-type shouts. The man does not tell the truth and those who trust him feel the sting of betrayal. 

"The con Donald Trump committed on his voters is slowly coming undone. He is not honest. He is not a brilliant deal-maker. He is not even competent.

"His entire life, Trump has sold shimmer and called it silver. It was and is all an illusion, a brand built on selling banality with braggadocio. He shaped vapors into dreams and delivered them to those hungry for a taste of the showy, hollow form of the high life he came to represent. He was successful at exploiting those with an ostentatious appetite for the air of success. Trump’s life story is a pyramid scheme of ambitions."

Comment by Joseph P on March 14, 2017 at 8:16pm


You do that.  :-P


They couldn't really do anything about the public VPN's, either.  Sure, most people don't need to use one, but what about people with small businesses?

What about people who run servers out of their homes, as I do?  What about people who keep servers at a NOC and need to be able to remote into them?

You can't regulate things like that, not even the "small-government" Republican party.  It would be comparable to saying that no one but corporations are allowed to buy the professional versions of Windows.

And say that they somehow managed to actually get a bill passed?  Great, I can VPN into a server in Canada or the UK.  No worries.

Sure, some jerkoff, Tea-Party congressman will propose a bill to do so, but then someone who knows how to do more than check e-mail on his iPhone will have a word with the moron.




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