Politics, Economics, and Religion


Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Networks are too much pro-war

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Grinning Cat 14 hours ago. 1 Reply

Enough is Enough! We have been in wars since WW II ended and they chew up lives and cultures as if they were raw meat in the middle of a pack of wolves. We could be a nation that teaches cooperation, teamwork, community action. Even our games are…Continue

Tags: teamwork, community, action., cooperation, cultures

Mike Pompeo DO NOT WANT

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bertold Brautigan Jan 5. 2 Replies

Pompeo Discussed Rapture at CIAMike Pompeo seems to be associated with right wing Christian Anti-Muslim extremism.As the Senate considers…Continue

Tags: Christian Fundamentalism, Mike Pompeo

"Nothing Matters?" Think Again (Ari Melber – MSNBC)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Patricia Dec 27, 2018. 5 Replies

Donald Trump has attempted to make this the era of "nothing matters."  If shit happens, shrug it off and keep going, especially if it impacts someone else and not you, and keep leaning on those two words: NOTHING MATTERS.Well, that's not 100% right,…Continue

Tags: MSNBC, Ari Melber, nothing matters, Donald Trump

Global Tax on Fossil Fuel Needed

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Bergen Woods Dec 10, 2018. 1 Reply

Ralph Regenvanu and Avinash Persaud make perfect sense, arguing that current climate risk insurance policy practices are immoral.It's time for those who caused…Continue

Tags: victimization, immorality, fossil fuel industry

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Comment by Grinning Cat on December 6, 2018 at 1:06pm

"First past the post" or plurality voting is, indeed, fundamentally flawed. It has us choose just one candidate in a race, and we're not allowed to indicate anything on the ballot about how good or bad the others are. Ranked choice voting is better. Even better, though, is range voting (or "score voting"), where, as in Olympic scoring or online ratings, you give a score to each candidate, say 0-9 or 1-10. Highest average wins.

This will work on current voting machines, as well as paper ballots.

(If blank or "no opinion" votes aren't included in the averages, a "soft quorum" can protect against an "unknown lunatic" winning with a few 10s amid millions of "no opinion" votes: each candidate gets a predetermined number of fake votes, say 10,000 zeros, included in their average. The fake votes would have no effect on the results if every voter gives a score to every candidate; they only matter when some candidates get fewer votes.)

Much more: https://rangevoting.org/

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 6:04am

@ Joseph indeed gerrymangeing is a in problem in many areas.   Here's a link to Congressional Dristricts of the 115th congress of the U.S.  January 2017-2019.


 I found the link to the PDF easer of enlarge and move around in.

Following is an interactive map of the 2018 house election.


Indeed most areas outside of any major city is Republican.  I don't think Republicans represent people in rural communities. Of course I don't think Democrats do either.  

I think the way we vote is fundamentally flawed  with what's typically called First Past Post. I like the idea of Ranked Choice Voting. https://www.fairvote.org/rcv#where_is_ranked_choice_voting_used

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 5:40am

@ Joan

I had trouble following the biginning of the story presented. 

The crime of the Catholic church is the teaching that it's a sin to be human.

If you heaven't read see the Human Vitae, Encyclic letter of His Holiness Paul VI on the regulat...

Did I post the history of abortion here previously? Maybe it was in another thread.

The following may be of interest to some.

Birth Control Before the Pill

Since ancient times, women all over the world have used a variety of methods for contraception. Prior to the introduction of the Pill, however, choices were limited and existing methods were less than perfect.

The Oldest Methods
Some methods still used today have their roots in antiquity. The withdrawal method was recorded in the Bible's book of Genesis. Around 1850 B.C. Egyptian women mixed acacia leaves with honey or used animal dung to make vaginal suppositories to prevent pregnancy. The Greeks in the 4th century B.C. used natural ointments made with olive and cedar oil as spermicides. A popular Roman writer advocated abstinence. "Womb veils," a 19th-century phrase for diaphragms cervical caps, and condoms, often made from linen or fish intestines, have been in use for centuries. In the 1700s, the famous seducer Giacomo Casanova told of using half a lemon rind as a cervical cap.

Female Preparations
In pre-industrial America, women used homemade herbal douches to prevent pregnancy. If a pregnancy was discovered, there were elixirs women could take to induce a miscarriage. Common ingredients in these "female preparations" were the herbs savin and pennyroyal.

The Rubber Revolution
The biggest breakthrough in contraception in the nineteenth century was not a new method, but a technological improvement of existing methods. In 1839, Charles Goodyear revolutionized the rubber industry when he made vulcanized rubber. He mass produced rubber condoms, intrauterine devices, douching syringes and diaphragms. Despite federal and state anti-birth control laws, "rubbers" were enormously popular and sales were brisk.

Most Effective Device
Although the diaphragm used with a spermicide was the most effective device available, it was never as popular as the condom. Women needed to see a doctor to get one, and that was expensive and embarrassing for many. Some were also uncomfortable with the physical intimacy necessary to insert the contraceptive.

Inexpensive Methods
During the depression, women desperate for inexpensive methods to prevent pregnancy often relied on over-the-counter contraceptive products such as vaginal jellies, liquids, suppositories, foaming tablets and antiseptic douching solutions known as "feminine hygiene." These items could be sold openly because they were advertised as hygiene products, not contraceptives. Most didn't work well, but were harmless. In the case of the disinfectant douche, however, women were susceptible to serious burns or even death if they didn't dilute the poisonous substances sufficiently before use.

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 1:07am

@ Donald

I'm not missing the point - I'm expanding it.

The morral dellema is often put on an individual when the fault lies in  engeneering or other systemic problems. 


I was driving down this mellow residential neighorbood  a block from my house  where ther was a T+intersection. I mean it was a cross street with a short lenth beyond the intersection.  I typically drive slow - expecially in my neighborhood because ther are deer and other wildlift.   As I went through the intersection which I had control of an elderly woman  I think either accidently, or intentionally in some sort of race floored the gas pedal rather than touch the brakes to allw me  full access in attempt to race through the intersection so she could go another two houses to the dead end of the street she was transgressing.  Fortunately  I saw her speed up from about  two houses away and punched the gas pedal of my car.  She didn't entirely T-Bone me on the drivers door.  She hit the drivers side passenger door and tore up the passenger door and quarter pane of my car while almost ripping off the bumper of her car.  That spun me around about fourty degrees.   Everyone who was home at the time in a block radious came out to see what happened.    She obviously was at fault. My insurance totaled my car and covered it.  I don't know what happened to her.  She at the time probably shouldnt have been driving.  She was quite old, maybe based on what I think was her inability to distinguish speeding up and slowing down  - which pedal was which.   I don't know what happened to her insurance rates.

After that three teenage girls were riding their bicycles don a hill through an intersection  near me - One of them yelled "I hope no cars are commingg" as they went down the hill and through the intersection at full speed.

I contacted the city, which fortunately was already doing some road work in the area and with almost no convincing they put stop signgs  near my house where the girls rode their bikes down the hill and the next block up where I  was almost T-boned.

I and others drive slower through the neighborhood now.   More people feel safe walking, running,  bicycling, or running with their dogs.

I was driving another way about 5 MPh around a hil with a sharp curve when a vulture suddently launched into the air. I slammed on the brakes. The giant bird walked across the windshild before launching itself off the roof of my car.

I suggest, mitigating harm has to begin with proper engeneering and safety proceedurs.   No one should be put in a predicament where there aren't enough life boats, or a switch, or indicator on a trolly track forces people to make the 'moral delemma' described.

@Chris.  By worrying about the number of life boats, and trolley precautions, you are missing the point of the "moral dilemma".  
What I was trying to point out is that the moral thing to do is the act that does the least amount of harm.

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 12:35am

@Joan and others.

People from Mexico and Central America are invading the country.

Trump and all  of his supporters who don't know history. Think NAFTA, Iran Contra, among other things.

I say they aren't invading the U.S.A. they are escaping the terrible economic and political intervention the U.S. impiosed on their home country.  

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 12:28am

@ Donald

I suggest, mitigating harm has to begin with proper engeneering and safety proceedurs.   No one should be put in a predicament where there aren't enough life boats, or a switch, or indicator on a trolly track forces people to make the 'moral delemma' described.

@Chris.  By worrying about the number of life boats, and trolley precautions, you are missing the point of the "moral dilemma".  
What I was trying to point out is that the moral thing to do is the act that does the least amount of harm.

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 12:22am

@ Joan

Believe me when I tell you the place that had the cultural problems was the U.S. Army Corps of engineers.  

I wote the commander an email one time asking him to stop the prosletysing of Jesus  before Thanksgiving potlucks.  Of couse he didn't reply - so I stopped attending all potlucks not only because of the Jesus prayer during thanksgiving, but because for one reason as an example there was a sandwitch feed.  The prayer guy sneesed in his hand then proceeded to grab tomatoes to put on his sandwitch.   I worked as a civilian for the U.S. military for twenty-five years in many different areas.

That was the wierdest place I ever worked. 

Comment by Chris on December 6, 2018 at 12:14am

Thanks for reminding me of the @protical Joan .

What I didn't like about Hillary Clinton,  Barack Obama, or Bill Clinton  was and is their support for what may be called  their ties with Wall Street, neo liberal economic theory, or  the myths of market fundamentalism.

If interested in the Myths of Market Fundamentalism a good lecture to start is with Lori Wallach's Market Fundamentalism and Trade.

From that link you will be able to watch the entire day seminar  of numerous speaker.

I believe a link to the first speaker ishere.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 5, 2018 at 11:00pm

@Chris, When you write that Hillary and the Democratic party are pieces of shit, what do you mean, specifically. You give me no information about how you define, "shit." Please clarify your meaning. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 5, 2018 at 10:42pm

@Chris, in the atrocious work environment, it is a wonder you got any work done. Did you have no policy against such behavior? Was there a supervisor who could have intervened? It sounds like the people you worked with were sex-obsessed and either felt guilty of their thoughts, or they were proud of being privileged in matters of sexuality. Either way, they needed psychiatric help or charged with failing to work at their jobs and fired. 


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