Politics, Economics, and Religion


Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Welfare? Who pays into the pot more than they get out? Who takes out more ?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Tom Sarbeck yesterday. 1 Reply

Welfare? Who benefits? Who pays? “Residents of “blue” states send more tax money to Washington than they get back in federal help, while residents of “red” states send less money to Washington than they get back in federal help.”  For  every tax…Continue

Tags: Reich, Robert, spending, taxes, welfare

Democrat vs. Republican

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner 16 hours ago. 2 Replies

The central U.S. opened like a fissure, threatening a volcanic eruption spewing out hate clothed in white supremacist ideology, spreading its deadly gases over the land. Officials tossed out legitimate voter registrations, closed down voting places,…Continue

Trump capitalizes on the tensions of the declining middle class

Started by Joan Denoo Oct 31. 0 Replies

Germany, after WW I, economically devastated, and overwhelmed by the Versailles treaty, was forced to pay incredibly heavy reparations to France and Great Britain. The political strains and conflicts made Germany particularly vulnerable. They built…Continue

Tags: exploit, manipulate, dominate, class, middle

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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 15, 2012 at 12:49pm

Lillie, I think the masses listen to and believe the lies told to keep working people in line and force surrender of small businesses into mega-businesses. We are not a nation of the people any more and will not be until the masses wake up. What will that take? Well, it depends on whether one is a pessimist or an optimist. 

A pessimist things there is no hope. 

An optimist says "I will try until my death to secure the kind of nation that we once dreamed it was!" 

The sad news, USA never did live up to its vision, with slavery, attempted destruction of Native American culture, exploitation of women's paid labor, manipulation of market for the benefit of the few, and education that would not allow discussion, serious discussion of alternative political systems, and a religious community that preached the success gospel to the strong and the passive gospel to the weak and vulnerable. 

Therefore, a complex situation with many opportunities to make changes.

Comment by Lillie on June 15, 2012 at 10:05am

Obstructionism, of course, but why don't the masses see this?

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 14, 2012 at 6:14pm

There is a reason our economy tanked and it started with the dismantling of labor protections, eliminating and weakening regulation of banks and financial institutions, and the opening up to a global market with laissez faire capitalist principles.

Where ever developing countries attempted to get into the world economy, and where they borrowed money to make it happen, the countries ended up with their resources drained and their economy collapsed. Have you read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine". When I read it the year it was published, I though she was overstating the case and I started watching. She was correct in all her assessments. 

Then I started reading people's writings that took the risk of going outside the capitalist frame to see what they had to say. What I learned was a surprise, a disappointment, and a realization that those McCarthy hearings of the 1950s or whenever, and the fears that have been put into the minds of U.S. voters by using propaganda, prevents our nation from looking at all the options. 

I am definitely not a communist, nor am I a socialist, and I am not a capitalist, at least the way it has evolved. 

We need to think about what Joseph Stiglitz, Steeve Keen, Michael Hudson, Stephanie Kelton, William Black, and others are saying. They may not be on the track we want for our nation, but at least we need to give them time to explain their points of view. 

If you find error in what they say, I would like to know it. I have been misled before and I am sure I will be again. 

As to Obama, the people he appointed were not the kind of people who would bring about economic and political change. You know my complaint about 

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, 

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, 

President and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York Timothy Geithner, 

Office of the Comptroller of the Currency chief John Duggan, 

Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Christopher Cox, 

as well as 

Alan Greenspan

Franklin Delano Raines

Jim Johnson

Rahm Emanuel

Lawrence Summers

Robert Rubin

All these men were heavily involved in Goldman Sachs, the banking institution frauds, and shady deals that have not been thoroughly investigated, none of them have been charged with a crime, and they all committed fraud, in my opinion. 

Abama could not have done what needed to be done even if he wanted to. His advisors were all out to use him to get what they wanted. They succeeded. They broke the unions, the regulation of banking, and manipulated the markets to their benefit and to the loss of pension funds, savings, education funds and home mortgages. Small business did no thrive under these men's leadership. 

Obama may be a good community developer, he may be good at getting conflicting sides to function well together. He certainly is no match for the GOP plan to obstruct all that he tried. They were just the other half of a pair of scissors that cut to the heart of our nation's political and economic systems. 

Thanks, Ruth, for your calling this to my attention. You certainly are correct ... but there is a larger background story to be acknowledged. 

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 14, 2012 at 4:11pm

Comment by Tammy S on June 11, 2012 at 1:09pm

SHORT STORY: Pick something of value, make bets on the future value of "something", add contract & you have a derivative.
Banks make massive profits on derivatives, and when the bubble bursts chances are the tax payer will end up with the bill.
This visualizes the total coverage for derivatives (notional). Similar to insurance company's total coverage for all cars.

Derivatives - The Unregulated Global Casino for Banks

Comment by AgeOfAtheists14 on June 11, 2012 at 12:50pm
Comment by Daniel on June 11, 2012 at 3:36am

I don't wish to give away the conclusion as to what factors actually drive "The Polarization of American Politics" but the actual factors I think are quite interesting.


Comment by Joan Denoo on June 11, 2012 at 12:28am

S. B. Yes, If one does a longitudinal study of income inequality, the trends clearly show buildup of the middle class from 1945 to 1975 and then a flattening of wages to the present. For a long time it was hidden, and I didn't notice until I got my first computer in the 1980s and started doing stats analysis from Colonial days to present.

Your generation and mine had access to student loans and in your case of military service, access to education. I'm certain your "Herculean" efforts paid off for you and you probably don't regret the time and energy it took to complete your studies. I shudder to think of a "military enlistment, a willingness to be essentially an indentured servant for over a decade" 


"The chart below from Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) illustrates how labor’s share of income in the United States has plummeted while personal dividend income as a percentage of disposable income has soared since 2009."

Apple and Income Inequality in the U.S.

I wonder if enough people begin to realize this change over the last 35 years they will begin to look seriously at what underlies these changes? What attitudes changed? Why was labor income so undervalued and dividend income so overvalued? 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 10, 2012 at 10:48pm

Clearly, money buys access to power. It is easy to understand why people who earn their living from investments want to and are able to spend personal money on elections; however, to see and hear working people and those who try to keep a family business going, it is harder to understand how they can be quiet in the face of current trends. 

We, you and I, may have seen the apex of a growing middle class. Perhaps this country will never see it again. However, I wonder if loss of economic and political power will quiet the yearning of people to have access to opportunity. I can't imagine a free and empowered people can settle for second class positions. Perhaps a yearning will brew in people who are not willing to settle for crumbs of society. 

“creativity is the key to education in its fullest sense and to the

solution of mankind’s most serious problems” 

~ Guilford’s (1967a p. 13)

Comment by Jessica Berman on June 10, 2012 at 4:20pm
Joan, any topic from you is guaranteed to have lively discussions. Thanks for the invite.



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