Politics, Economics, and Religion


Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Fake University Squander

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Loren Miller Nov 29. 1 Reply

AOC excoriates Congress for enabling ICE's morally bankrupt University of Farmington sting.... Ocasio-Cortez suggested that lawmakers should accept some of the blame for funnelling funding into the agency with little oversight."Earlier this year,…Continue

Tags: government evil, Framington University

#Quora: Nate White Hilariously Answers the Query –”Why Do British People NOT Like Trump?”

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Nov 7. 3 Replies

Nate White, a witty writer from England wrote the perfect response. A few things spring to mind… Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no…Continue

Tags: troll, Quora, Donald Trump, Nate White

Dan Rather and Sam Donaldson on Trump

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Oct 24. 1 Reply

I just saw this on CNN and thought it was worthy of being posted here.  You have two doyen newsmen who know their stuff, opining on the aberration in the White House for two minutes and change.  Just wish it were longer. Unfortunately, I can't get…Continue

Tags: Trump, CBS, ABC, Sam Donaldson, Dan Rather

Democratic National Committee Recognizes Value of "Religiously Unaffiliated Demographic"

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Loren Miller Sep 4. 2 Replies

It started back in 2009, when Barack Obama made open mention of non-believers in his first inaugural address.  It got better with the establishment of the Congressional Freethought Caucus.  And now, the Democratic National Committee has issued a…Continue

Tags: resolution, Religiously Unaffiliated Demographic, DNC, Democratic National Committee

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Comment by Joan Denoo on December 21, 2011 at 6:45pm

David Graeber, “Debt: The first 5,000 years.”

Have you noticed how the people with credit cards, mortgages and car loans seem to be scrambling for enough to make monthly payments and conduct a huge celebration when an account is paid off?

When I was a little girl, during the Great Depression, members of my family lost their businesses, homes, jobs, and there was no flow of money to buy houses, no one had cars, we all grew vegetables, fruits, cows, pigs, turkeys and chickens.

There was no credit at the grocery store and if we didn’t have the money we didn’t buy.  Several families lost their homes and moved into my grandparent’s tiny two-bedroom house.  We kids slept on the floor, wall to wall, my grandparents had one bedroom, their oldest son and his wife had the other bedroom, and the other married couples slept on sofas or make-shift bunks.  We made quilts out of worn out clothes or from the rag barrel at the mayor’s office.  We cut cardboard boxes to slip into our shoes when they were worn through.  All clothing was hand-me-down.  We didn’t have meat every day, ate lard on our toast and potatoes and we canned enough food on a wood stove in the hottest part of the summer to last for the whole winter. We each had one bath a week and the kids got in when all the grownups had taken their baths … I mean the water was not changed between individuals. 

Jump ahead a few years and remember how credit cards came into being.  Most recently a week hardly went by without an application for a credit card came trying to out compete all the other banks sending applications.  My teenagers were sent applications and none of them had jobs.  All three got into credit problems early in their marriages in spite of my instructions and warnings.  My stories of irresponsible charging did not sink in until they got swept away by all the things to buy and so little money to pay them off. 

Here is an author who describes what happened, when workers became debtors and capitalists became creditors and how, and what it means in the current debt crisis.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 21, 2011 at 10:47am

PERI reports banks hold 1.4 Trillion that is $1,400,000,000,000 in excess liquid assets. Who benefits? Who pays?
Corporations use this cash to buy back shares instead of investing in new production.
Don’t forget, our money is printed, which is fiat money, not adding to the productivity of our nation, which puts more money into circulation while jobs disappear and wages fall. The costs of this fiat money comes out of the pockets of men and women who flip hamburgers, dig ditches, fight fires, teach school, maintain public safety.
To add to this absurd situation, the president calls for “austerity”! WHAT?! Somebody needs to persuade the president those banks, financial institutions and corporations have brainwashed him, put words in his mouth and kept sound fiscal policy philosophy away from him.
Have you ever noticed the eyes of Geithner? He looks to me as though he is knowingly instigating a scam. I wonder? Or is he just blinded by the likes of neoclassical economics?
Does he not realize markets are not free and the playing field is not flat? Do he and his cohorts realize USA means opportunity and that is why our country has been so great. We are not great because we print fiat money.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 21, 2011 at 10:45am

People lose jobs, health benefits and pension plans; small business go bankrupt, closing their doors and putting paper over the windows; pension plans do provide the money that workers set aside for their old age; cost of education is now beyond the reach of workers; banks pile up cash in vaults; government pays interest to banks with unused money. corporations give outrageous bonuses to executives; government prints money ... now here is the kicker ... printing money does not increase the productivity of USA, they don't fund schools, health care, police and fire protection, or even make possible loans to small businesses who would build structures of all kinds, or open retail stores, hire employees, get the money flowing again. I would call that a constipated financial and banking system.

Where are the churches in all this?  Where are the ministers? and religious educators? and parishioners?  They don't pay taxes and they don't help workers who have paid a terrible price for trusting in government and corporations. Where is their ethical base?  How do they demonstrate morality? To whom do they owe their meaning and purpose?  


Comment by Joan Denoo on December 20, 2011 at 11:25am

When people religious became actively involved in political matters and started to successfully get on municipal, county, state, national executive, legislative, and judicial offices, started making noises about putting Intelligent Design into school curriculum, and continue to demand tax exemption for property taxes, then it became clear those of us who do not believe there is a spirit world started to object.  

Each and every citizen has the right to run for public office, whether he/she believes, or not, in things spiritual, but then do not pay property taxes we not only have the right to object but the responsibility to start making demands.  

Occupy Wall Street targets Trinity Church:


Comment by Joan Denoo on December 18, 2011 at 11:19pm

For those of us who were alive and remember The Great Depression and the fears, anxieties, and frustrations we saw in the eyes of our parents and grandparents, or remember cutting cardboard to put in shoes with holes in the bottom, or spreading lard on our toast, or wore hand me downs and coats made out of our grandfather's winter coats when they became too old to do outside, we learned some valuable techniques for survival.  For us little ones, we did not know the worries and their causes, but we were impacted, non-the-less.  My parents and I, and aunts and uncles and cousins moved into a tiny little house of my grandparents, grew a huge garden, raised chickens for eggs and meat and went along the railroad where many apple and plum trees grew from seeds thrown from the passing trains.  We canned in the hottest part of the summer so we had fruit all year long.  We went to the mountains to pick berries and in those days bears liked the berry patches too.  These hard times were made harder and had lasting effects because of the violence in our home.  Some of our women died in childbirth, some of our men from accidents on jobs on the farms or in grain mills.  

Everybody prayed!  Of course!  That was the only thing we could do and nothing changed. 

Who benefited by the Great Depression of 1929? Who suffered? Who could have made a difference?  Who made profits off the depression and then more profits off the war years?  Who died in that war? 

“No-one saw this coming?” Balderdash!

By Cassander, Posted In: Debtwatch


"This financial tsunami was caused by the bursting of asset price bubbles driven by excessive levels of debt, but the bursting of those asset bubbles hasn’t eliminated the debt—far from it. Instead, economic performance for the next decade or more will be driven by the private sector’s attempts to reduce its debt levels, and this will depress economic activity for years. Unlike a tsunami, a debt crisis is a wave of destruction that keeps on rolling unless the debt is deliberately eliminated."

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 18, 2011 at 10:37pm

Sometimes economics and politics look and sound like religion, based on faith and beliefs without supportive evidence.  Whenever alternatives are brought up about need for a change in our financial system or our government, fear mongers bring up all the old anxieties about communism or raising wages means business closures and downturns.  

Well, it seems to me that with our present government and financial arrangements, workers are not able to earn living wages and any effort to raise earnings result in threats of financial disaster caused by those "Pinkos" or some other silly nonsense.

We see government reports that unemployment is about 9%, or whatever.  That is the most ridiculous fabrication I have heard in a long time.  What about those who have looked for work for several years?  What about people who are too old to change from manufacturing and production and can't live on flipping hamburgers or are too old to flip hamburgers? What about young people graduating from college to begin a career in their fields, only to find their career opportunities are not there and they are saddled with horrendous school loans?

With lower wages, fewer opportunities for living wages, and no jobs for recent graduates, politicians urge us to be "austere".  Who is stupid here, those who call for austerity from people who have already cut back to the minimum or people trying to be even more austere?    

And then we get the old bromides: to pray; to let go and let god; to trust in the lord; well, how is that working for anyone?   

The growing numbers of homeless people coupled with the empty foreclosed homes is about as sane as calling for austerity.  How does one become more austere when everything one owns is in a car with unemployed parents, school age kids and no job to earn food and housing? 

Let the churches take care of the homeless and hungry some would say. Is the church and its teachings part of the problem?  




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