Politics, Economics, and Religion


Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Presidential election - last time around Michelle Obama said : "The truth matters." Republicans are laughing all the way to the bank at the quaintness of such a naive thought.

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 24. 23 Replies

Ben Carson: Big Bang A Fairy Tale, Theory Of Evolution Encouraged By The DevilIt's nice that the Republicans have Dr.(!) Ben Carson as their house n-word. He's cute, articulate, humble and smooth, and his speech patterns are oh, so laid back and…Continue

Tags: Carson, creationism, evolution, primary, election

A View of Islam from Muhammad Syed: Ex-Muslim

Started by Loren Miller Sep 23. 0 Replies

There is a great deal of discussion that goes on about Muslims and Islam in the US which comes from people who are not, themselves, directly connected with either the people or the religion.  Muhammad Syed, president of Ex-Muslims of North America,…Continue

Tags: Muslims, Seth Andrews, ISIS, Islam, Muhammad Syed

Pope Francis: Priests Can Forgive Abortion If Women Are 'Contrite'

Started by Bertold Brautigan. Last reply by Loren Miller Sep 2. 26 Replies

Frankie has just pissed off (and nonplussed) a whole load of people.The Vatican has…Continue

Tags: Pope, mercy, forgiveness, abortion

Change.org Petition - Jon Stewart Should Host a Presidential Debate

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat Sep 1. 9 Replies

The above petition just landed in my inbox a few minutes ago ... and I think it is perhaps one of the most brilliant ideas I've heard in a while.  Entirely too many debates, both primary and presidential, have been little more than photo ops for the…Continue

Tags: change.org, petition, debate, Jon Stewart

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Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 20, 2015 at 12:35pm

Bernie Sanders introduced a bill to break up the big banks and restore power to the American people instead of the wealthy.

“It’s time to break up the largest financial institutions in the country! If a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist!

~ Bernie Sanders, May 26, 2015

PETITION → Urge Congress to pass Bernie’s bill to break up the big ...

from EndCitizensUnited.org

I've signed.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 20, 2015 at 12:28pm

Great quote from David Suzuki, Joan! especially "... things, like capitalism, free enterprise, the economy, currency, the market, are not forces of nature, we invented them. They are not immutable and we can change them. It makes no sense to elevate economics above the biosphere."

We invented corporations, and we can change them. Susan Blackmore warned that memes were a threat to humanity. Richard Brodie called corporations power memes. One could frame TPP as an act of meme conquest: we created corporations and now we're letting  them destroy us.

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 15, 2015 at 2:05am

More about desertification, but by nature.

Petr Kropotkin, in Mutual Aid; a factor in evolution, said the invasions of Europe from Asia were migrations resulting from a prolonged drought.

He identifies the evidence: numerous small bodies of water where there was once a massive lake.

He wrote his book in the late 1800s but I've seen no book by a historian since then that mentions any cause.

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 15, 2015 at 1:51am

Gianluca Serra could have written about desertification in Arizona after WW2.

Its consequences were less dire than in Syria--decades of silencing critics by "taking their bread" (their employment) before the June 1976 carbomb murder of the investigative reporter Don Bolles.

While the killer's mistakes made his capture inevitable (he died in prison), the desertification resulted from a practice long endemic in America: the funding of election campaigns by those who want legislators to enact laws that will enrich them.

In this case the resulting laws first allowed groundwater users to charge the costs of irrigating a low value crop to urban taxpayers. Additional laws allowed the construction, again at taxpayer expense, of a water delivery project that made the overpumped land suitable for housing and again enriched the landowners.

One book has been written: titled Cadillac Desert.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 14, 2015 at 9:03pm

Ruth, this excellent article by Gianluca Serra is a must read and understand one. 

The need for change is now! 

"Civilizations have risen, stuck to their core values and then collapsed because they did not change."
Gianluca Serra

" The time has come to wisely adapt the 'norms and rules of the house' (= Economy in Greek) to the foundation principles of the house (Ecology= 'knowledge of the house' in Greek) - and not the other way round, as we have thought and done during the past 200 years."

Gianluca Serra


'norms and rules of the house' (= Economy in Greek)


'knowledge of the house'(= Ecology in Greek) 

"There are some things in the world we can't change - gravity, entropy, the speed of light, and our biological nature that requires clean air, clean water, clean soil, clean energy and biodiversity for our health and well being. Protecting the biosphere should be our highest priority or else we sicken and die.

"Other things, like capitalism, free enterprise, the economy, currency, the market, are not forces of nature, we invented them. They are not immutable and we can change them. It makes no sense to elevate economics above the biosphere."

David Suzuki

 Civilizations have risen, stuck to their core values and then collapsed because they did not change.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 14, 2015 at 8:10pm

Paraphrase of Gianluca Serra:

In our current consumerist society, nature is perceived as nothing but a commodity or an ornament. But our lifestyle and economy is still completely dependent on available natural resources and on functional ecosystem services.

Over-grazing and desertification in the Syrian steppe are the root ...

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Comment by Grinning Cat on June 13, 2015 at 5:10am

I've also heard the whole quote, "My country ... when wrong, to be set right." That puts it in a very different light!

And I'll definitely check out Mutual Aid... I first reached for my public library's catalog, and discovered that Kropotkin died in 1921. Since the book is in the public domain, and Google Books has scans of a couple of older editions, you can read and download it from there for free!

With voting, I'd like to see expanded in-person early voting available to everyone, with generous weekday and weekend hours, and maybe Election Day itself being a holiday. The privacy of the voting booth is a Good Thing: your boss, union boss, coercive spouse, or random person trying to buy your vote doesn't get to see your ballot. (And yes, it should be a physical, tangible paper ballot! Papers can be optically scanned, and recounted, by hand if necessary; and it's much harder to commit large-scale fraud than with electronic voting machines, some of which have been proven to be vulnerable to "malware" spread by data-collection memory cards. I'd rather have trustworthy results even if it takes a day or two.)

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 13, 2015 at 3:06am

People who make a slogan of "My country, right or wrong" reveal some kind of mental or emotional problem.

A few weeks ago a guy I know told me the whole quote. It goes My country, right or wrong -- when right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be set right.

In recent decades the people who lead my country have done much wrong.

I'm just now re-reading a book that's helping me put into context the wrong that many of America's leaders have done. It's Petr Kropotkin's Mutual Aid; a factor of evolution.

I first read it decades ago and was struck by the author's account of the large role that mutual aid -- we call it cooperation -- has played in evolution. I recently found it at Amazon and bought it for my Kindle.

You've mentioned a writer named Eisler(?) and I'm thinking you will find some parallels in what these two people have written.

It has me wondering if, well after the chimpazee-human split, a mutation happened that resulted in what we call sociopathy.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 13, 2015 at 1:34am

Tom, I get a chill when I hear a super-patriotic, flag waving, "My country right or wrong" person. The naive school-child's patriotism becomes cynical for a reason. Something like the Central Arizona Project will do it. 

Central Arizona Project

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 13, 2015 at 12:52am


I think I was in grade school when I first heard that government did for us what we cannot for ourselves -- things like defense, fire and police protection, trash collections and more.

I was in my forties when the massive taxpayer subsidy known as the Central Arizona Project convinced me that government would do TO us what we would not do TO ourselves.

That was where my political education began.


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