Politics, Economics, and Religion


Politics, Economics, and Religion

Religion has so many connections to political and economic beliefs, there needs to be a place to identify linkages, problems, goals, options, action plans and evaluation criteria.  

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What is the purpose of life?

An eternal question, what is the purpose of life?, occupied philosophers’ thoughts throughout history. Stone pictographs reveal even primitive peoples reflected on this query. Each one has the capacity to define his or her personal thinking about politics, economics and religion.

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Did Hillary Lie About Her Iraq War Vote?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo 18 hours ago. 2 Replies

Did Hillary Lie About Her Iraq War Vote?"ZUNES: Well, there's this idea that the United States needs to be…Continue

Tags: Sanders, ISIS, intervention, extremists, lies

The Common Thread Among Trump Supporters? (Matthew MacWilliams - Politico)

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by Grinning Cat on Saturday. 37 Replies

If I asked you what most defines Donald Trump supporters, what would you say? They’re white? They’re poor? They’re uneducated? You’d be wrong. In fact, I’ve found a single statistically significant variable predicts whether a voter supports…Continue

Tags: Politico, Donald Trump, authoritarianism

Tom Monaghan, Ave Maria, Florida, and Religious Totalitarianism

Started by Loren Miller. Last reply by tom sarbeck Jan 17. 12 Replies

Like many of you, I have an email subscription to The Daily Kos, a liberal-leaning news and op-ed source which I frequently find both entertaining and frequently informative.  This morning I got their email distribution of links to various articles,…Continue

Tags: University, Daily Kos, Florida, Ave Maria, Domino's Pizza

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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 14, 2015 at 9:03pm

Ruth, this excellent article by Gianluca Serra is a must read and understand one. 

The need for change is now! 

"Civilizations have risen, stuck to their core values and then collapsed because they did not change."
Gianluca Serra

" The time has come to wisely adapt the 'norms and rules of the house' (= Economy in Greek) to the foundation principles of the house (Ecology= 'knowledge of the house' in Greek) - and not the other way round, as we have thought and done during the past 200 years."

Gianluca Serra


'norms and rules of the house' (= Economy in Greek)


'knowledge of the house'(= Ecology in Greek) 

"There are some things in the world we can't change - gravity, entropy, the speed of light, and our biological nature that requires clean air, clean water, clean soil, clean energy and biodiversity for our health and well being. Protecting the biosphere should be our highest priority or else we sicken and die.

"Other things, like capitalism, free enterprise, the economy, currency, the market, are not forces of nature, we invented them. They are not immutable and we can change them. It makes no sense to elevate economics above the biosphere."

David Suzuki

 Civilizations have risen, stuck to their core values and then collapsed because they did not change.

Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on June 14, 2015 at 8:10pm

Paraphrase of Gianluca Serra:

In our current consumerist society, nature is perceived as nothing but a commodity or an ornament. But our lifestyle and economy is still completely dependent on available natural resources and on functional ecosystem services.

Over-grazing and desertification in the Syrian steppe are the root ...

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Comment by Grinning Cat on June 13, 2015 at 5:10am

I've also heard the whole quote, "My country ... when wrong, to be set right." That puts it in a very different light!

And I'll definitely check out Mutual Aid... I first reached for my public library's catalog, and discovered that Kropotkin died in 1921. Since the book is in the public domain, and Google Books has scans of a couple of older editions, you can read and download it from there for free!

With voting, I'd like to see expanded in-person early voting available to everyone, with generous weekday and weekend hours, and maybe Election Day itself being a holiday. The privacy of the voting booth is a Good Thing: your boss, union boss, coercive spouse, or random person trying to buy your vote doesn't get to see your ballot. (And yes, it should be a physical, tangible paper ballot! Papers can be optically scanned, and recounted, by hand if necessary; and it's much harder to commit large-scale fraud than with electronic voting machines, some of which have been proven to be vulnerable to "malware" spread by data-collection memory cards. I'd rather have trustworthy results even if it takes a day or two.)

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 13, 2015 at 3:06am

People who make a slogan of "My country, right or wrong" reveal some kind of mental or emotional problem.

A few weeks ago a guy I know told me the whole quote. It goes My country, right or wrong -- when right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be set right.

In recent decades the people who lead my country have done much wrong.

I'm just now re-reading a book that's helping me put into context the wrong that many of America's leaders have done. It's Petr Kropotkin's Mutual Aid; a factor of evolution.

I first read it decades ago and was struck by the author's account of the large role that mutual aid -- we call it cooperation -- has played in evolution. I recently found it at Amazon and bought it for my Kindle.

You've mentioned a writer named Eisler(?) and I'm thinking you will find some parallels in what these two people have written.

It has me wondering if, well after the chimpazee-human split, a mutation happened that resulted in what we call sociopathy.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 13, 2015 at 1:34am

Tom, I get a chill when I hear a super-patriotic, flag waving, "My country right or wrong" person. The naive school-child's patriotism becomes cynical for a reason. Something like the Central Arizona Project will do it. 

Central Arizona Project

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 13, 2015 at 12:52am


I think I was in grade school when I first heard that government did for us what we cannot for ourselves -- things like defense, fire and police protection, trash collections and more.

I was in my forties when the massive taxpayer subsidy known as the Central Arizona Project convinced me that government would do TO us what we would not do TO ourselves.

That was where my political education began.

Comment by tom sarbeck on June 13, 2015 at 12:29am

|       Why are we still investing in dirty fuels?

Key words: Investing, investor, et cetera.

A recent newspaper article about the World Bank taking action against a Latin American nation started me to wondering why I took so long to see that the words government of the people, by the people, and for the people blinded me to the reality that America is a government of investors, by investors, and for investors.

I took a real long time. Decades ago I read that before the 1770s American Revolution, England was reserving the Appalachian region for the native peoples, and that after the Revolution the new government sold those lands to investors who sold them to colonists who wanted to move west.

The Yazoo Land Fraud -- Wikipedia tells a somewhat sanitized story -- soon followed.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 12, 2015 at 9:34pm

How to Make the Economy Work for the Many, Not the Few #8: Make the...

Why are we still investing in dirty fuels? Why are we not charging 
polluters for contaminating our environment? Why don't we invest in revenue that benefits everyone? 

Instead of investing in dirty fuels, let's start charging polluters for poisoning our skies - and then invest the revenue so that it benefits everyone.

Comment by sk8eycat on June 12, 2015 at 11:26am

If the Tea Party psycho ceramics stay home,  that would be such a relief!  (Don't tell them that some states allow Permanent Absentee Voting....I've been doing that for 20 years now.  MUCH easier!  Oregon has vote-by-mail only....they get more returns, and the counts are more accurate)

Comment by Grinning Cat on June 12, 2015 at 10:42am

Segueing to another sort of TP, here's a graphic I saw on the web, credited to Americans Against The Tea Party. This meme deserves to be spread far and wide among them. (Click to enlarge.)

ATTENTION TEA PARTY - OBAMA AGENDA ALERT! When you go to the polls and they ask for your name and check you off in the registry... it's really just a way for Obama to get your name and address so he can send people to take your guns and put you in a FEMA camp! DON'T VOTE! Save yourselves from the dictator and stay at home! (Spread the Word! Please share all of your Tea Party friends


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